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Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:13 pm
by taccr
I'm a little confused here. What is the current implementation of those Defense Checks?
Those formulas are new to me, I thought we were using
those.
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:13 pm
by sullemunk
I might be dead wrong, but i thought i read somewhere that Aza didn't want offensive stats to count towards defensive stat penetration because it was too easy to max cap it?
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:19 pm
by Azarael
On RoR, the offensive base stat only counters the defensive base stat. Other sources of defense are mitigated by strikethroughs.
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:27 pm
by Shadowgurke
Azarael wrote:On RoR, the offensive base stat only counters the defensive base stat. Other sources of defense are mitigated by strikethroughs.
Can you elaborate on what you mean with base stat? Stats that don't come from items or Renown? If so, does that mean block rating does not get reduced by ball/int?
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:27 pm
by Azarael
Intelligence opposes Willpower.
Strikethrough opposes both Disrupt% and the result of the above.
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:30 pm
by sullemunk
Azarael wrote:On RoR, the offensive base stat only counters the defensive base stat. Other sources of defense are mitigated by strikethroughs.
so offensive stats can never negate defences from renow etc, but does that works vice versa like strikethrous working on base stats (defences gained from wis,ws and bs?)
also, does that mean the formula that Genis posted doesn't apply?
(<shield block rating>/<offensive stat>*0.2 (capped at 50%))
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:35 pm
by Azarael
Strikethrough works on base stats.
The rationale for this is that stacking your offensive stat grants both damage AND chance to defeat defenses, yet the defense version is split between two stats (Toughness and either Weapon Skill, Initiative or Willpower). Base defense against a given stat can be low enough that the free strikethrough the attacker is getting for stacking Strength can actually defeat a lot of renown spec defenses, which isnt' right.
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:38 pm
by Shadowgurke
realistically speaking, how much initiative/willpower/WS is needed to negate the defense penetration from ballistic/int/str if the attacker is softcapped?
Edit: Negate is probbaly a bad word. Assuming every point up to a certain amount is wasted because it gets ignored by str/int/ball, at which point do I get a defensive benefit form WP/WS/Init?
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:40 pm
by sullemunk
Shadowgurke wrote:realistically speaking, how much initiative/willpower/WS is needed to negate the defense penetration from ballistic/int/str if the attacker is softcapped?
i guess it would be a 1:1 ratio
Re: Shield blocking / blockrate / bonus
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:54 pm
by Tiggo
i have headache now...