Return of Reckoning

Stagger should be 5 seconds IMHO.

Just dropping by to say that this change won't be considered until T4, and only then if KotBS and Chosen are proven:

a) not to have mandatory tank status within groups in T4
b) not to develop that status with 5s stagger

Azarael wrote:Just dropping by to say that this change won't be considered until T4, and only then if KotBS and Chosen are proven:

a) not to have mandatory tank status within groups in T4
b) not to develop that status with 5s stagger

I really need to save this post to reply with it the next 23656243 times this thread comes up.

Who i am kidding, i am going to forget and you will have to say it again.

Azarael wrote: a) not to have mandatory tank status within groups in T4
b) not to develop that status with 5s stagger

So pretty much never? I'm glad though.

vicious slash clone is on BG

How is it not useful? Taking someone out of a fight for 3 seconds is a useful thing to do, considering that ttk in this game is around 3s. So if you want to burst a target down with their healer disabled you have a 3s window to do it in now instead of a 9s one, meaning you have to actually coordinate before you use the ability and then burst the target down quickly. But before when they were 9s - then you didnt even have to coordinate a thing, you could just stagger, casually tell your group after you hit the ability, and still have 5-6s to switch targets and burst. Seems way more skill based this way.

It would still take a little bit of timing if it were 5s, I wouldnt mind that, but i still prefer 3s. If you want a longer disable bring a rp/zealot or a bg/ib. If you want a ranged aoe disable bring a knight/chosen. Cant have it all on one class anymore, as it should be. Whereas if they were made 9s again, why even bring an ib/bg afor heal debuffs, a 9s stagger is a much better heal debuff and you get all the other knights/chosen buffs, so might as well bring 2 of em mandatory in every group. Yea, no thanks.

I agree with Sizer. 3 seconds seems pitiful but that is likely due to a lack of highly organized coordination.

To those that perform it well, it can still have great results even at 3 seconds. I definitely was not trying to advocate a return to 9s... It just felt like 3 was poor.

mursie wrote:I agree with Sizer. 3 seconds seems pitiful but that is likely due to a lack of highly organized coordination.

To those that perform it well, it can still have great results even at 3 seconds. I definitely was not trying to advocate a return to 9s... It just felt like 3 was poor.

So you just stated 3 seconds duration is fine for coordinated groups?

I do not see any reason to extend its duration then

Why was this thread made?

Not being a jerk just curious since you basically just argued against your opening post

Quality of life change?

Rebuke wrote:

mursie wrote:I agree with Sizer. 3 seconds seems pitiful but that is likely due to a lack of highly organized coordination.

To those that perform it well, it can still have great results even at 3 seconds. I definitely was not trying to advocate a return to 9s... It just felt like 3 was poor.

So you just stated 3 seconds duration is fine for coordinated groups?

I do not see any reason to extend its duration then

Why was this thread made?

Not being a jerk just curious since you basically just argued against your opening post

Quality of life change?

Yes - my mind has been changed. I felt its duration required extension because it felt useless. I then said - it is useless when not used in a highly organized and coordinated effort.

I'll let you connect the dots there.

gg