Will rifters get punished?

[Azarael]

Gnnn. I'm going to wait 20 minutes for a consensus and use that, then.

[Bretin]

- **** me - first idea was crap, read below

[Bretin]

to not gimp this skill too much - since it is only a 30 feet pull - it should maybe not add a immunity but don't work when you have the kick immunity already? so you can't be pulled after a pull/kick which is not Git To Da Choppa. They could still spin and throw people through the air 2-3 times, which would be okay but they couldn't do that right after a first CC. would solve the problem. combine that with a fix to walls/doors or disable it at bo / keep range and we're fine

[Euan]

I don't understand why Renork's post was removed when it was a really fitting/funny comment.

Read Bretin's comment and then use the Engima/Gankbus method used to describe a L2P issue.

Nanji (Enigma/Gankbus member) wrote

"These kind of threads follow a simple algorithm.

1. take a skill you hate
2. come up with a random situation/scenario where this skill can be used at great effect
3. describe your inability to deal with it under very specific conditions
4. ask for nerf"

Watch Bretin (Enigma/Gankbus member) use the same tactics

"it didn't add a immunity on live, that's true but tbh it should. because it's non-sense that every cc ingame gives you a immunity while this skill throws you 3 times in a row through the air after getting pulled already over 75 feet or after you got kicked in by a tank."

Highly situational instance. Renork's comment was highly appropriate. It's obviously a L2P issue.

[Bretin]

http://www.twitch.tv/stenchypow/c/7033714

yes much l2p issue much wow

[Azarael]

His post was removed because it was shitposting. I also removed the posts of a number of people who replied to it, pointing this out.

[Bozzax]

GTDC without immunity just works as a counter to having pounce 0CD and WLs being immune to all CC (well except GTSC)

[tommyb23]

If people are going to shitpost with "l2p" in topics concerning major bs like this, I will block rift and EM outright around keeps.

Not "shitposting" or trolling is obvious as that helps no one, but it also doesn't help when you threaten with something just as stupid. Turning off rift during keeps would completely gimp eng and magus as that is a melee line and can't help during keeps then. Why is it so hard to stay off the wall in LOS? Mag/rift doesn't pull if you hide behind the hard parts... Don't think that is game breaking. Think this falls under the L2P.

In regards to door mag/rift, why would squishies be near a door anyway. Anyone really care if you pull tanks out (if you could even kill them before the short run back to click the door)? Seems like fixing the area around the door would be an easier fix than removing a class defining ability.

Still think both are a L2P and QQ issue. If both sides can do it, where is all the whining coming from? Fair to me.

[blackout]

It's mostly rift. Not rift/magnet. I''ve been leading wb for a few hours today both to defend and to attack. Haven't seen a single instance of engineers using the bug. They don't want to do it? They can't do it? That I don't know. But if some of the order uses this bug he of course should be punished the same way as bug using magus players.

That's racist My WB m8's were sucked inside your order keep thru the doors gazillions of times, so

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[Azarael]

It figures that you'd put shitposting in quotes, because you just did it yourself.

I'm going to repeat this just so you get it. If there is a major bug which changes the way the game has to be played in an unreasonable manner, you will NOT post "l2p", "QQ", "both sides can do it lol" and other such tripe into threads discussing it. It is not for players to sit down and shut up when a major bug is exploited. If I have to disable rift and EM in order to protect the experience of the majority of people (so, the 22 classes in the game, or to put it another way, the 70 other mastery paths in the game that don't involve rifting), I will happily do so if presented with no other choice. If Engineer and Magus are trash without rift and EM, then deal with their imbalance instead of reasoning that everything is A-OK because they have one gimmick spec they can use.

I haven't yet pushed another fix for the keep doors, but yes, that is on the agenda. HOWEVER, if there are other currently unfixable issues (like missing LOS data), I will not hesitate to block the area of effect pulls if they become overcentralizing.