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[Tesq]

"Destined For Victory"
if you don't use it we probably shouldn't care much about what you write at all

"I totally disagree with you. If you die in 5 seconds being staggered while being in a group/premade, you shouldnt blame the stagger,"
Our crew didn't die we used those 9s to burn down bad groups and very often we did multiple in those 9s. HOTs or not didn't make any difference since we also used assist

1.4.0 had too much burst no sense talk of being hot--ed, if got a 6 sec stag you where surrounded shortly later and warpforge crit burst made the rest, same situation after being rKD by bw/SW

[Gorwe]

i agree on stag needed to be nerfed, 9 sec was too much but 3 sec is lollable as interrupt you cannot even use it for escape.

kobs/chosen stag should be 4 sec
dok/wp moral stag 5 sec
engi/magus 6 secods
WH/WE stag 2-3 sec but need to give 20 sec immunity instead 3 to stop that stupid 2 cc exploit. ( it was only order side i think)

The more utility a class have the less cc must have. And a stag that last more than 6 seconds it's too long for put it in game.

@Luth i was refering to the aoe rage blow that extinguish the rage,but my bad i look at the wrong skill ( sy aza)... i look flurry instead wild swing sy. delete what i said xD

@to all the rest i was refering only for rdps core root not the one of tanks

i just see that all root on rdps are 5 sec exept sorc that have 10 sec root, and it felt bad as those root do not have a limit to 4 ppl like those of tanks so i just point it out.

even if kobs/chosen didnt have a stagger, they would have a spot in a group/premade. They have so much more to offer.

Amen

well for chosen we are speaking of destinated to victory and superpunt, not as much what can kobs offer....

The more utility(Heals, buffs, debufs etc) a class has + the more dmg a class has the less CC the class should have.

Simple.

[Tesq]

Ye cc should be used to balance the weakness of a classes regard tanks, but healer and dps should follow even other things

[Azarael]

Ok, thanks Az! I remember Elven(or you?) saying the exact same thing earlier. What do you think of Fervour and whether it should be changed? Say, in perfect conditions(you don't have to worry about development/just purely theoretically speaking).

Still, the possibility lives! <3

I can't really comment on WH balance as the last time I played the live game was 5 years ago. Everything that I know, I know from vague memories, analysis of skills, Google or from talking to people who did play until the end.

It wouldn't be for me to comment anyway - when it comes to changing the game, my status as a dev shouldn't give me a greater or lesser voice than anyone else.

[Gorwe]

Ok, thanks Az! I remember Elven(or you?) saying the exact same thing earlier. What do you think of Fervour and whether it should be changed? Say, in perfect conditions(you don't have to worry about development/just purely theoretically speaking).

Still, the possibility lives! <3

I can't really comment on WH balance as the last time I played the live game was 5 years ago. Everything that I know, I know from vague memories, analysis of skills, Google or from talking to people who did play until the end.

It wouldn't be for me to comment anyway - when it comes to changing the game, my status as a dev shouldn't give me a greater or lesser voice than anyone else.

I'm asking you as a person, not you as a dev!

Fervour is that stupid DoT that in order to reach its potential, you need to whack an enemy 3 times. Which works perfectly when it's on a tank(Blazing Blade is its equal on Knight), but arguably on an assassin(basically).

[Gorwe]

Ye cc should be used to balance the weakness of a classes regard tanks, but healer and dps should follow even other things

Yeah, it's my dream see. A game where tanks don't just facetank stuff in PvE but actually use CC to attain their goals. Facetanking isn't real, it's stupid in almost any way you look at it(would you hit a guy who's cussing you, your family etc or a guy who's the most dangerous-say he has a sniper in his hands). Ok, it kinda makes sense.

...still tanks should be about the mix of CC and Defence. Preferably Guard systems as well.

[Azarael]

Well, back when I played WH, nobody touched Inquisition for anything other than Exit Wounds. Torment was the attack of choice.

I don't think Fervor makes much sense considering that every time a stacking buff is applied, the ticks reset, so the first tick of the x3 Fervor stack comes 3 seconds after the last strike used to apply it.

But look on the bright side, you could be a White Lion. Hack and Baiting Strike are two of the most deeply inspiring skills I've had the pleasure to gaze upon.

[Luth]

You wrote that Chosen / KOTBS should be buffed so that ENGIE / MAGUS becomes more in demand. I just pointed out ENGI / MAGUS would be even more sought after if we buff staggers even further. Going extreme in my opinion shows the flaw in the argumentation chain.

My point was, that reducing the ability to three seconds duration negated a buff in patch 1.4.4 for the engis/magus group uselfulness.
Imo the stagger remove ability was a big step forward to create more depth in the gameplay (besides simple damage/heal and debuff/buff).

I think also the majority of players like WARs PvP, because it has diversity and is not so simple-minded like in modern MMOs (e.g. GW2).
So maybe new players have to learn more than in other games, but on the other side in WAR it isn't zerg > all.

Btw: I would rather see the aoe-stagger on an underwhelming tank class like SM or BO though, but this isn't possible atm.

[Tiggo]

is it really worth discussing balance in this stage of development?

[Tesq]

Cos wh rotation it's extremly fast and his dps x second it's a lot high, i am not against any change that make classes less 2-3 button spam but if any change want be done that influence the dps of a alredy good classes i'd like that would be tested before, also in 1.4.0 we/wh tornment revealed itself too good with no armor restriction. Probably due to sh/am being so behind dok and wp and crit crazy proc.
For sure something costructive to look in future for both wh/WE and cloth healers. Just maybe there are other top priority at the moment and later on the fix issue.