[Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.

[Penril]

To guarantee the proc I guess...

[Collateral]

Perhaps if you want to be sure you get the needed stats, or if both are running loudmouth for more damage.

[Dreadspectre]

Perhaps if you want to be sure you get the needed stats, or if both are running loudmouth for more damage.

Is Loudmouth even worth it anymore? I heard it got nerfed from what it was on live. I used to use it but only recently tried other tactics for giggles, I just didn't really have anything better to put in the slot I don't think.

[Collateral]

Loudmouth is quite worth it, pull some mobs and test it out, you will see how much it actually procs. It has no ICD. I also thought it was meh, but it's not. If you are running a dps spec it's a must have imo.

[ragafury]

it's even better if you have crap gear and low RR! no scaling, flat numbers!

[footpatrol2]

When your dealing with randomness like the Stat Steal bellow, as in a random proc chance, Your not guaranteed you'll stat steal the needed stats. More stat steal just allow's for more chance to steal the stats that you need. If you steal the same stat's it kinda doesn't matter because it is likely that it won't be at the same time either so your maintaining your active stat steal/aura if you want to think of it like that longer.

The more you bring of a random factor the less random it gets because of more proc's.

You got nuffin tactic is situational. Because it's situational doesn't make it a bad tactic. Again I spec for access so I can use the tactic if the situation calls for it. There is a lot of situation's that don't call for the use of that tactic. But if your heavy tank spec in ORvR where your facing larger number's then your team all forms of healing is welcomed, it has its place. Think of it as a constant + health regen gear that requires a tactic slot on your BO for your group. Don't think of it as a life saving healing.

I have 5 different tactic slot set ups depending on the situation I'm in. Just because I spec into a tactic doesn't mean I'll use the spec tactic in every situation. I spec for flexibility.

[Penril]

You got nuffin is crap. So is Da Toughest! warbellow, Bring em on!, Dat was Great!, Keep it going!, Mor' Hardcore, Rock 'Ard, and a bazillion other skills from other classes.

Stop acting like every skill/tactic in the game has its place and people just need to "git gud" and discover it for themselves.

[footpatrol2]

You got nuffin is situational.
Da toughest warbellow is situational. Go ask megladonis, probably the best BO on the server. He uses it when the situation calls for it.
The bellows/blade enchants isn't stagnant. You can switch them mid combat to fit the situation your in.

Dat was great is amazing. It is really good I use it quite a bit. I don't run a chosen as the 2nd tank so thats why its good. Not all group comps requires a chosen/BO combo.

Bring em on is highly highly highly situational and super intriguing. It looks like it requires a specific group comp. (I have yet to test it out in that group comp but want to, to make my own judgments, after testing that group comp, I'll have a better stance.)
Keep it going is crap. It would be good if it removed the AE knockback so your not handing immunities out like candy.
Mor' ard core is situational.
Rock ard isn't bad but its not amazing either.

Sorry I think differently then you Penril. Nice try on trying to shame me into a corner but its not going to work.
Is this what you do when someone thinks differently then you? Try to shame them? I guess so.

[Penril]

Spoiler:

You got nuffin is situational.
Da toughest warbellow is situational. Go ask megladonis, probably the best BO on the server. He uses it when the situation calls for it.
The bellows/blade enchants isn't stagnant. You can switch them mid combat to fit the situation your in.

Dat was great is amazing. It is really good I use it quite a bit.
Bring em on is highly highly highly situational and super intriguing. It looks like it requires a specific group comp. (I have yet to test it out in that group comp but want to, to make my own judgments, after testing that group comp, I'll have a better stance.)
Keep it going is crap. It would be good if it removed the AE knockback so your not handing immunities out like candy.
Mor' ard core is situational.
Rock ard isn't bad but its not amazing either.

Sorry I think differently then you Penril. Nice try on trying to shame me into a corner but its not going to work.
Is this what you do when someone thinks differently then you? Try to shame them? I guess so.

Yes, we think differently. My replies are mostly for the people who might think you are correct. I know it is pointless trying to convince you.

First of all, Chosen/BO and BG/BO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> double BO. No question about it. Saying that you can have a BO run cookie cutter while the other uses unorthodox specs doesn't help your case; run a Chosen to maximize your group potential.

Having said that, you should only have 1 BO in your group, which means you only have 4 tactic slots. 2 of those tactics are mandatory:

- Big Brawling (AoE snare)
- You seez me block dat (still great)

That leaves you with only 2 tactic slots left. Now you have to choose from the following tactics:

- Good wif shield (10% more block = more morale boost procs)
- Stab ye gooder, if you want to deal more damage
- Gork Smash, great synergy with SYG
- Guud at big choppin, kinda mandatory for 2H BOs
- Rugged, same thing as GaBC

All those tactics are MUCH better than YGN, which is a crappy heal. If you have good healers, they will get you back to 100% health before YGN runs its full effect.

Same thing with Da Toughest!. The heal is crap (320?). The only good thing about it would be the increased wounds, but if you really need more wounds just use I'm da Biggest! (another tactic that is better than YGN). Sure, you should cycle bellows, but only between Da Biggest! and Da Greenest!, which actually help your whole group. Da Toughest! only affects you. I don't care what Megladonis says (and a lot of people will disagree with him being best BO on the server, even with population as low as it currently is; no disrepect meant, I'm sure he is a nice guy).

Dat was great! is crap since your armor debuff is spammable anyway, so incresed duration on WA is pointless. The toughness debuff might look interesting but it is only 75; better to use a DPS Shaman (if you really want to stack Toughness debuffs from a tactic and a skill) and debuff it by 240. 240>>>>>>75.

Bring Em on! is crap since it might put you in a stance you don't want. What if you want to AoE punt? Or snare? Funny that you call it situational and intriguin yet you accept you haven't even tested it.

Mor Hardcore is crap; the distance is too short. You want a ST punt? Don't give away immunities and let a Chosen/BG punt for you.

Rock Ard is crap. The value is pretty low and even with very high toughness the absorb shield goes off pretty much immediately.

We'z bigger is crap. It doesn't stack with armor pots or Da Greenest.

Even No Choppin me is kinda crappy unless you are Toughest/Boss spec and still want to buff your group's WS.

[footpatrol2]

This game is just not as rigid as you like to make it out penril.