suggestion to bring sorcs in line with BW's

[Linae]

Actually it was a different tank lol.

As for BW's, we don't have any stuns. We have a knockdown up near the top of one line and a knockback up near the top of the other line. Even at lvl 40, a BW would not have access to both of those. One of the lines does have a few second MAGIC silence, but can't remember which. We don't have access to it yet either if I'm correct.The DOT spec does have a 50% heal debuff, which currently is the only thing we have access to at lvl 26 IF you are specced that way.

[wender88]

Actually it was a different tank lol.

As for BW's, we don't have any stuns.

You get M3 ST stagger at some point.

[Azuzu]

In my opinion these are the unique useful things both Sorc and BW get.

BWs Get:

50% Incoming Heal Debuff (10 second duration/30 second cooldown) (Spec'd)

Self Cleanse (Baseline)

Knockdown (100 foot range, 3 second duraction/20 second cooldown) (Spec'd, same line as heal debuff)

Withering Heat - Applys 40% Snare (Instant cast 40% snare on BW's version of channel Spell)(Spec'd, same line as heal debuff/knockdown)

Pyroclastic Surge - All actions take 50% longer to buildup (2 second cast, duration 3 secods, no CD) (Baseline)


Sorc Gets:

Arctic Blast - 40% Snare (2 second Cast, duration 5 seconds, 10 second cooldown) (Baseline)

Frostbite - Disarm (1 second cast, duration 3 seconds, 30 seocnd cooldown) (Baseline)

Absorb Vitality - Self Heal/Dot (Instant Cast, 20 second cooldown) (Spec'd)

More single target damage and has the ability to get fairly survivable.

I don't feel Sorc needs to be buffed. I think Sorc's overall more single target damage makes up for it's lack of utility.

[Mez]

Why does everyone say sorcs get more single target damage in this thread. In tier 4 they get swell of gloom, but funnel power ticks on every damaging attack. BW;s can slot a tactic to insta-fireball if they are disrupted.

BW's get a better finisher in burning iron > sorc's frostbite. BW's get to cast detonate as a quick finisher when sorcs have infernal wave which has limited range.

Why has 3-4 of you all promoted some agenda that sorcs = damage, & poor bw's = utility in this thread without stating specifics?

Absorb Vitality was nerfed so it couldn't crit. So no dps sorcs ran it. Do they have better single target damage in your minds because of Obsessive Focus? Because that costs a global cooldown. It lowers your DPS on a target. You may get 1 better burst rotation, but then less damage on your next. That doesn't set the sorc above a BW. I may be missing something because EVERYONE is saying sorc is better damage, so I'm just asking.

edit: Is it the ability to cast a 2 sec aoe dot on a target in that of Gloom of Night? If the argument is they get an extra dot, BW has detonate if you want to look at an extra dot for burst purposes. It just doesn't last as long, but it's insta.

[Hypernia]

Remove Sorc's 13 pt ability in the left tree and give use either the range knockdown or the heal debuff instead. problem solved. Give us funnel power in the right tree instead of a pointless 3s cast initiative debuff, that is literally just a copy of shattered shadows.

Honestly the BW utility is worth far more than the sorc's extra damage (if it even exists). You get a range knockdown and a heal debuff, and a self-cleanse, we get what? More damage abilities to the point that you will never fit them all into your rotation. Plus hand of ruin is basically just Withering heat, but hey minus the slow.

The only potential way Sorc is better is using the Infernal Wave + Chop Fasta combo, which is on a small window with a 2m CD, and it forces you to bomb and have a choppa in group. And the 13pt ability in the AOE tree may be better than Backdraft, but they do different things, and either way both are pretty much pure damage.

Single target BWs get all the good bits Sorcs get, plus more. And that doesn't even count the racial tactics they get which you could argue are simply better.

I mean I can keep going about how BWs are better than sorcs at ST and bombing, but I think anyone that can't see that already is just blind to the facts however you tell them.

[Sulorie]

Why? Because the whole 7 spell rotation of a sorc deals spirit damage, which is debuffed. BW have a mix of corp + ele.

[peterthepan3]

Sorc ST DPS > BW ST DPS.
BW utility > Sorc utility.
Neither class, however, requires anything given to it. They are both performing at an optimum level, and are not in the predicaments other classes are.