[Warrior Priest] - Grace

[noisestorm]

People dont see the small point that DPS dok is simply better in every regard compared to a WP huh? : D

[Azarael]

The reason I didn't mirror the change is because melee DoK functions better than melee WP did, and I didn't want to compromise the change as a whole if it turned out that melee DoK having access to it made it too strong.

[TenTonHammer]

People dont see the small point that DPS dok is simply better in every regard compared to a WP huh? : D

yes and one of the reasons is that duel wield gives base 10% parry while 2h's give a garbage 10% block strike through and parry strike through dosnt seem much better

So what if we gave 2h's also 10% parry to level the playing field then we could address dps wps and doks equally

[noisestorm]

People dont see the small point that DPS dok is simply better in every regard compared to a WP huh? : D

yes and one of the reasons is that duel wield gives base 10% parry while 2h's give a garbage 10% block strike through and parry strike through dosnt seem much better

So what if we gave 2h's also 10% parry to level the playing field then we could address dps wps and doks equally

Nonono. Its not about DW or 2h, its about the whole kit. And guys, you all need to learn that balancing will NOT always happen on mirrors. If a class isolated by itself is underperforming that then is not automatically justifying a buff to its mirror if this one is actually doing good/better in the first place. Even IF the mirror has its own problems, those should be also adressed seperately and not in the same wash as the one currently being dealt with.

[peterthepan3]

10% parry base
50% Heal debuff easily achievable compared to a 25% crappy one
Much better burst DPS with the Sacrifice devour essence

This change should be welcomed by both DOKs and WPs alike; that melee healers are being looked at! It isn't going to fix everything, but its a step forward in the right direction.

[Euan]

MDPS WP is as viable as MDPS DoK which is why WP is getting buffed because it's 'not' viable and you don't want DoK to get the same treatment because it's a little better at it? This wouldn't make DoK too strong, and well you are testing it after all so I'm really confused why you didn't change both? I can't help to think order bias in the way in that order users close to you are filling your head, I'm looking at you, Chizune, evertyhing you say screams order biased. When was the last time dps DoK was a threat?


Let's say DoK is too strong, it has no reflection on WP. Each would be judged individually.

[noisestorm]

I find it astonishing that you call me order biased - shows how well informed you are about my doings

[Vigfuss]

This change will only make life harder for Order players who PUG. If the game becomes too solo friendly it will change a lot of things, and not for the better.

[Azarael]

Let's say DoK is too strong, it has no reflection on WP. Each would be judged individually.

You know the vast majority wouldn't see it that way. If I had given both WP and DoK access to the effect of their detaunt tactics and it had turned out that only one of the classes was too strong, you can bet your ass that the players who thought DoK was too strong as well as those who believed, rightly or wrongly, that WP was overpowered by the change would push in tandem to get both rolled back.

That wasn't something I was prepared to risk.

[TenTonHammer]

This change will only make life harder for Order players who PUG. If the game becomes too solo friendly it will change a lot of things, and not for the better.

its not about making this game solo friendly, we all know az dosnt really care or want to balance towards anything really bar 6v6

this is just the first step in trying to make 2h wps viable in the group play environment