Recently back - T2/3 is... Terrible.

[Kobra]

You dont just get gear because you ask for it. Do what the rest of us did. I doubt anything less than free rr40 and bis being given out would satisfy some in this thread.

Way to be constructive... This game failed on live for a reason. Many reasons in general but a few really really big reasons. Probably every one of us quit live at some point so you'd think maybe we'd have some valuable input.

Nobody wants to bother to grind days, if not weeks through nonsense these days. This is not an Asian MMO. Most of us have lives. Most of us have 'stacks' of other games to play. Right now tier 2 has less than 30 people in it when I was on earlier and I cannot find a single thing to do. A SC popped and it was 7 on 3 so we sat in the camp. Keep people in T2/T3 with some artificial grind and keep watching people walk away from the game. Not trying to be a jerk but just saying...

Right now I am artificially deflated to a totally empty tier while hearing about 4 full warbands in T4 having a good time.

Think about that.

[blaqwar]

I'm pretty sure he was refering to your comment about T4 prices.

T2/T3 are being worked on and as has been stated numerous times on these forums T4 is the priority since it's the endgame and holds most of the population. Keep in mind this is an alpha server where the game and its systems are being actively developed - we are the testers.

Bitching about how you have kids and DotA2 to play is as unconstructive as Telen's comment. It might perhaps be best if you divert your attention to other games for the time being and wait for RoR devs and testers/community (the ones who have the time and the energy) to get the game to a state where you will be able to spend time on it without feeling like it was a waste.

[wargrimnir]

You dont just get gear because you ask for it. Do what the rest of us did. I doubt anything less than free rr40 and bis being given out would satisfy some in this thread.

Way to be constructive... This game failed on live for a reason. Many reasons in general but a few really really big reasons. Probably every one of us quit live at some point so you'd think maybe we'd have some valuable input.

Nobody wants to bother to grind days, if not weeks through nonsense these days. This is not an Asian MMO. Most of us have lives. Most of us have 'stacks' of other games to play. Right now tier 2 has less than 30 people in it when I was on earlier and I cannot find a single thing to do. A SC popped and it was 7 on 3 so we sat in the camp. Keep people in T2/T3 with some artificial grind and keep watching people walk away from the game. Not trying to be a jerk but just saying...

Right now I am artificially deflated to a totally empty tier while hearing about 4 full warbands in T4 having a good time.

Think about that.

It was a 7v5, I checked when you said it was 10+v4.

This sort of wild overstatement is precisely the thing that will hurt your credibility within the project. It's this sort of extreme whine that we don't listen to. Whether it's 20 kegs stacked at a keep, or literally Order has 7 tanks and 7 healers and 7 engi's in literally every scenario, or when T3 is totally dead and no one is in the zone.

We can't work with that. You're making stuff up. There's another more harsh word for making stuff up, but I'm not sure that's what you intended. Keep it simple, post facts, or get justly ignored.

"Nobody wants to grind" - Then what is the 3x XP for? To grind mobs more efficiently. I suppose if nobody wants to grind, they would ACTIVELY be looking for something else to do aside from grinding? Like, perhaps doing RvR?

Every time someone complains about the lack of RvR in T2/T3, I check the population in those zones. How many people do you need to have a fight? I checked two hours ago and it was over 60 players. Do people not understand that T2/T3 are MERGED and you fight in the ONE active RvR zone within T2 or T3?

But, this is what we sort of expect with NA. The changes aren't what you wanted, you just want free R40's, or as close to that as we're willing to move towards. I'm sure it wouldn't be a surprise to hear that our goal is to see a healthy mid-tier, not continue to kneecap and cripple what little activity we still have there.

My personal opinion is to give you something to engage with, so PvP begins to happen at some point. Not to give you all the tools you need to escape the mid tier as fast as possible without so much as sniffing a renown point. I think what Aza understood is that this might be a lost cause, and skipping the tier would be the best bet at sustaining population. Perhaps that's the case, but we're sure as hell going to give it a run until that's made clearly inevitable. Having EU bite on RvR is a good sign, and at this point, I think it's the population in NA that's either too small, or simply uneducated to the changes.

[merkin]

But, this is what we sort of expect with NA. The changes aren't what you wanted, you just want free R40's, or as close to that as we're willing to move towards.

My feelings are hurt

[wargrimnir]

But, this is what we sort of expect with NA. The changes aren't what you wanted, you just want free R40's, or as close to that as we're willing to move towards.

My feelings are hurt

Why? Are you representative of the statements I made? Do you lead (or at least participate in) warbands through the mid tiers, Or do you just PL your way to T4?

[Jaycub]

>Do people not understand that T2/T3 are MERGED and you fight in the ONE active RvR zone within T2 or T3?

People in T4 often don't even know to go to the supplied zone half the time.

60 players, most who are probably PvEing, pling, afk etc... let alone in the same zone ready to fight. You need consistent action for it to even be worth being out in the lakes or you might as well be killing boars to get to t4.

I've noticed in t4, once the population drops below 150 things start getting pretty slow to the point where it's easier to just afk in the wc and que scs for RR. Once it's under 100 the chance of decent fighting is out the window pretty much.

I think murk's post is in response specifically to the jab at NA players, since most of us feel like the staff could really care less about us and that post comes off as something like "this is what we sort of expect with [insert race here]".


Also it seems like in every thread concerning NA there is one guy that won't stop posting and digging a hole deeper. And it allows you to easily respond and refute everything he says while it drowns out any real discussion. I'm honestly thinking at this point it's controlled opposition lol (sarcasm).