KOTBS vs SM

[Bozzax]

Anything that gives a tank a teleport every 30s to assist MDPS or assert CC anywhere near friendlies is very offensive. Then again I've always considered pounce to be one of the best defensive abilities as well. Even though you sure knew how to spec/play a BO I feel your analysis is a bit off or biased.

No it is "badly designed" as it makes kiting a zerg, funnel and tank wall harder. I liked those especially the latter two and how they gave an outnumbered side a good way to defend as positioning and CD could be used against the blob. So yes it adds to BO but takes away from the game as a whole IMHO.

[Toldavf]

Kinda not in character with the black orc either making giant, graceful leaps over people does fit them.

[Penril]

Kinda not in character with the black orc either making giant, graceful leaps over people does fit them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzceykTiwjs

In all seriousness though, mostly everyone in the old forums agreed with this changes. In fact 1.4.9 was heavily influenced by the players. I dont understand why anyone would be against it.

[Coryphaus]

Could of helped if they would have considered re doing some ability trees

[Joshwa70]

Wl offense only? Lmao. Imagine you are a wp.. healing with no one around you when suddenly two we and two pouncing bo all pop on you in two seconds. Yea.... sm already have wings of heaven once a min if needed and it comes with an aoe snare. We surely don't need pouncing tanks when we are talking about nerfing wl pounce.

[RyanMakara]

Just wait until Aza makes SM op...

It's amazing how many times this is said per day. At least 3 or 4 times, I think

[Penril]

Wl offense only? Lmao. Imagine you are a wp.. healing with no one around you when suddenly two we and two pouncing bo all pop on you in two seconds. Yea.... sm already have wings of heaven once a min if needed and it comes with an aoe snare. We surely don't need pouncing tanks when we are talking about nerfing wl pounce.

The only problem with Pounce is that it is spammable. The nerf people talk about is giving it a 5 sec CD.

BOs and SMs pounce had a 30 sec CD on 1.4.9 PTS.

[Bozzax]

In all seriousness though, mostly everyone in the old forums agreed with this changes. In fact 1.4.9 was heavily influenced by the players. I dont understand why anyone would be against it.

"All" agreed BO/SM needed more group utility and most agreed the classes lacked a ST punt

Mythic devs refused to give BOs/SMs a decent ST punt but agreed to give them a defensive Pounce

As always myth didn’t listen and the guy who finally fixed pounce after 4 years probably was so proud of his new code he went “guys I’ve got a cool idea”.

Like many things on test I’m far from convinced that this would have made to live. If you look at 1.4.9 PTS patch notes it was real “turd patch”.

In all fairness BO/SMs need love and a better way of doing this would have been to lets say give them punt immunity on a 30s CD

[Coryphaus]

I don't know about sm but not in da face already gives blorc unstoppable buff for a sort duration so to give them immunity again on a 30s cd seems like it would be both redundant and kinda op

[Penril]

I don't know about sm but not in da face already gives blorc unstoppable buff for a sort duration so to give them immunity again on a 30s cd seems like it would be both redundant and kinda op

NidF makes your group Unstoppable for 4 seconds and it has a 20 sec CD. It was only useful back in the day if you saw a KotBS coming your way (probly for a Stagger) and you somehow managed to hit him with NidF before he used his Stagger (almost impossible). Other than that it was only useful against WHs if you used it as soon as they popped on you (so they wouldn't be able to use their KD on you). The best thing about NiDF is the CD increaser (not the immunity) which actually helped against pretty much every class (and WPs can't cleanse it).

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