How Different Are the Class Mirrors?

[FreedomFighter08]

In WAR I know that class mirrors aren't 100% identical like in SWTOR where only animations differ, in that case does that make one better than the other and why? Are they equals or not?

Tanks
Swordmaster vs Black Orc
Kotbs vs Chosen
Ironbreaker vs Black Guard

MDps
Witch Hunter vs Witch Elf
Slayer vs Choppa
White Lion vs Marauder

RDps
Bright Wizard vs Sorceress
Engineer vs Magus
Shadow Warrior vs Squig Herder

Healers/Supports
Warrior Priest vs Disciple of Khaine
Runepriest vs Zealot
Archmage vs Shaman

[Dabbart]

What is this? Your 3rd or 4th "what is best" "Who is better" "what should I play" Thread? Are you actually trying to "learn" about the game, or just start arguments about what is "best"?

Stop expecting a straight answer. There is no "better". This is a game that is balanced around GROUP play. The specific classes are dependant based upon how they support each other. 1 Class could absolutely suck in a 1v1 vaccuum, but put that class in a 6man that is built around support, and it will shine. Then take that same class and put it into a PUG group, and once again. It appears to suck.

Mirror's in this game are generally quite drastically different. The basic premises are there, and the same archetype "specials"(Like Z/RP ability to swap from healer to dps, SW/SH stances, WH/WE stealth, etc). But each class from each realm is special and unique. And even more-so, they shine entirely differently in different Tiers/RR/gear set's.

That isn't even going into the amount of different specs and builds for each class...

[FreedomFighter08]

This thread is about mirrors and not about anything else, show some respect I don't really appreciate those type of answers, I'm very interested in this game and I want to know what people think, some things are obvious and some things are not, if they are all unique and all equally good then fine then there's no need asking questions at all but if they are not equally good then that raises alot of questions why? Because of the devs didn't balance it in time before the servers shut down then there's nothing we can do and have to accept the class imbalance as it is.
I hear people all the time say different opinions that the devs left the Swordmaster an unfinished class and the black guard too and you hear so many things, people may actually be right instead of wrong, u start to wonder what class imbalance the devs left unchecked.

[Bretin]

you can compare them yourself right here:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/

[Lileldys]

TANKS
Swordmaster vs Black Orc
SM is more about spirit damage and BOrc is a mix of Phys/Corp, otherwise very similar

Kotbs vs Chosen
Chosen is about debuffing with Crippling Strikes while KotBS buffs their groups crit rates. Both play very similar with auras/cc.

Ironbreaker vs Black Guard
IB builds career mechanic only while their defensive target is being hit. BG can build career mechanic by doing damage and defensive target(iirc). Both are similar with the debuffs. IB gets more CC while 2hander, and BG gets a bit more damage.

MDPS
Witch Hunter vs Witch Elf
WH have access to better executions in Exit Wounds and Burn Away Lies, while the WE has superior on hit pressure from kisses compared to bullets. WH makes up for this with a 50% AutoHaste while WE gets a 15% damage increase when they take damage.

Slayer vs Choppa
Slayer is a big winner here with kit like Rampage(block/parry ignore), Shatter Limbs(CD increase) and Inevitable Doom. Choppa doesn't have anything to match this, but has a 25% crit damage tactic, which can cause the Choppa to lay down some big burst.

White Lion vs Marauder
WL is a pet class, Marauder is a Stance class. Both have similar kits, like armour debuffs, 50% hp executes and CCs.
WL has a better time with burst from skills like Coordinated Strike, but it's damage is tied to its pet. When the pet is dead you have reduced damage.
Mara has access to better debuffs, it gains an incoming heal debuff, a wounds debuff, toughness debuff. Also dual wield for an extra bit of survivability and increased on-hit pressure.

RDPS
Bright Wizard vs Sorceress
Bright Wizard has access to better CC/Utility, with a speccable KD and a few other bits and bobs.
Sorc has higher burst damage from tactics like swell of gloom.

Engineer vs Magus
Both static pet classes with similar trees. Engi falls off a bit harder with Physical damage type on its single target spec. AoE for Engi is magic damage based, and is similar to Magus there.

Shadow Warrior vs Squig Herder
SW is a Stance Class, SH is a pet class.
SH has a much better kiting kit with tactics like RUN AWAY! and skills like Run Away!(yeh confusing). It also isn't tied to using specific stances to use certain skills.
SW has acces to a knockdown, and has less kiting kit compared to SH. It's also tied to stances to use certain abilites. Has a bit more dps, at the cost of being less survivable.


Healers/Supports
Warrior Priest vs Disciple of Khaine
WP vs DoK healing is pretty equal. Both have the exact same kit with a few small varients. DoK gets a morale2 group full cleanse. WP doesn't get this but gets to cleanse destro tank snares easily for better kiting.
DPS DoK is better due to its kit. Healdebuff on crit being a big selling point.

Runepriest vs Zealot
Runepriest is widely considered better due to how much armour they can stack, and their AP management is better.
Zealot isn't that far behind RP, but the dwarf racial 660armour tactic just puts them that bit further ahead.

Archmage vs Shaman
AM has better AP management while Shaman gets better kiting with RUN AWAY! tactic. Both play a similar role with burst healing. Shaman gets an extra HoT while AM gets a channel heal.


Think that mostly covers the basics.

[Dabbart]

What?

If you don't want answers, don't ask questions. What you appreciate is irrelevant unfortunately. I gave you the answer as I see it. If you can't understand my answer, then that is different. The fact remains you asked which is "better" or are they "equal". Allow me to repeat myself, you can't make a broad statement on 1 being better than the other in a vacuum(well, you can and people do. That doesn't make it correct). In a 1-3-2 group some classes/builds will suck compared to a 2-2-2 melee train and vica versa.

If you want to learn, go play or do some research. There have been tons of threads made on this forum discussing class balance. Making multiple threads to find out what everyone thinks is the "best" isn't going to teach anything.

Hell. Your not even asking for anything in particular. The threads seem to ask for every available piece of information on every single class available...

Regardless. If you think I wasn't "showing respect" then sucks to be you living under the apprehension that you are due... Oh, and if you honestly think that was disrespectfull... Then I shudder to think how you react to 90% of the interwebs.

Edit: "I hear people all the time say different opinions that the devs left the Swordmaster an unfinished class and the black guard too and you hear so many things, people may actually be right instead of wrong, u start to wonder what class imbalance the devs left unchecked."

See. THAT is a specific question that can be actually answered. Asking for the full break downs arbitrarily just sounds lazy. That at least has a point to it. Albeit however Trollish it appears...

[FreedomFighter08]

Whoaw calm down lol you've already chosen your statement and I didn't like it, sucks for me and sucks for you, I am doing alot of research that's why I'm interested and asking different people all the time, but you came with the most simplest answer "They are all meant for different things, no one is better than the one blablabla" No **** Sherlock, that you can say for every class system in every mmo, "nono there's no difference, the game wasn't built to cause imbalance, some are good i ngroups some are good soloing, lol you came with the most obvious and most simple answer ever like u didn't even push yourself to answer my questions, and if you are annoyed by me making alot of threads because I love this game, then your life sucks.

Fortunately this guy Lileldys above came with a really good informative answer explaining the differences and as simple as that I'm pleased with it.

[Dabbart]

Well then that's awesome! Seeing as he didn't touch your question of "in that case does that make one better than the other and why? Are they equals or not?". It'd be awesome if we can get you off the kick of "better" and "equal". I'm glad you're pleased.

Reread your OP bro. I think you might of forgotten to input a few parts to your starting question. Not that it would of impacted my response realistically. And me thinks you are the less calm, no? I don't remembering telling anyone to "show respect, I don't appreciate that"... Lol.

Gl in your class search...

[FreedomFighter08]

Cheers

[Arobain]

dabbart, you dont have to be a ****, if you arent interested in the post, don't like the guy, or think its irrelevant, its much better to just not reply and ignore it, instead of coming on here to be rude