SH vs SW difference

[tomato]

I tested it 1.5 weeks ago and pet dmg didn't count there.
The case is still open so there was no reason to believe it's fixed.

If you really think spiked squig doesn't do a shitton of dmg to clothies,then you have no idea what you're talking about and should stop posting regarding sh.

[Arctiqq]

Shadow Warriors actually look gay.

There, fixed it for you

[saupreusse]

at the end of the day if u know how to play the herder u can easy kill a sw in sec and thats without any knockdowns

yeah because the pet rapes you while you focus on the herder

[Arctiqq]

Yet another "SW got killed by a SH? Nerf SH topic". Where are those "not a 1v1 game" comments? Oh wait, not a destro player complaining

[mursie]

If it so OP, why I don't see that many of them?

1. Because SQ has less base damage on abilities than SW and a pet that is buggy, unreliable, and not 100% guaranteed dps uptime. Unfortunately, this pet is supposed to "compensate" for that base damage difference. As a result = SW is able to more reliably land higher burst

2. Because SQ has less access to WS than SW due to add'l bonus from SW stance. Since both are RDPS physical damage dealers, SW has more armor pen with same ballistic as SQ. As a result = SW is able to more reliably land higher burst. Further, the WS you do stack as a SW is given to ALL of your physical damage (which per #1 is higher and built in to your abilities with 100% uptime). For the SQ, your WS only grant's 50% of its power to your best supposed "compensation" damage piece - the buggy spiked squig pet per #1.

3. Because SQ has a tool kit of defensive abilities like run-away and a run away tactic whereas SW has offensive abilities like VoN that buff dmg 25% for 10 out of every 30 seconds. As a result = SW is able to more reliably land higher burst

4. Because SQ has an off gcd disarm that must be activated by the pet. See #1 on buggy pet. SW has a 1second Range Knock Down that is not reliant on the positioning or target of an AI pet. AS a result = SW is able to knock targets down, kite, and land more reliable burst

5. Because SW has AP replenish tools available to it that give it a significant advantage to continually use abilities to dps. SQ taps out on AP fairly quickly, especially in our current tier where the builds are effectively locked to skirmish dot specs where SQ's and SW's tab target for multi dot application... As a result, if you have more AP and are therefore able to continually use more and more abilities than your AP drained counterpart... you are able to more reliably land sustained damage

6. Because SW's bring group utility via Leading Shots which grants add'l crit chance to your team

[tomato]

Spoiler:

If it so OP, why I don't see that many of them?

1. Because SQ has less base damage on abilities than SW and a pet that is buggy, unreliable, and not 100% guaranteed dps uptime. Unfortunately, this pet is supposed to "compensate" for that base damage difference. As a result = SW is able to more reliably land higher burst

2. Because SQ has less access to WS than SW due to add'l bonus from SW stance. Since both are RDPS physical damage dealers, SW has more armor pen with same ballistic as SQ. As a result = SW is able to more reliably land higher burst. Further, the WS you do stack as a SW is given to ALL of your physical damage (which per #1 is higher and built in to your abilities with 100% uptime). For the SQ, your WS only grant's 50% of its power to your best supposed "compensation" damage piece - the buggy spiked squig pet per #1.

3. Because SQ has a tool kit of defensive abilities like run-away and a run away tactic whereas SW has offensive abilities like VoN that buff dmg 25% for 10 out of every 30 seconds. As a result = SW is able to more reliably land higher burst

4. Because SQ has an off gcd disarm that must be activated by the pet. See #1 on buggy pet. SW has a 1second Range Knock Down that is not reliant on the positioning or target of an AI pet. AS a result = SW is able to knock targets down, kite, and land more reliable burst

5. Because SW has AP replenish tools available to it that give it a significant advantage to continually use abilities to dps. SQ taps out on AP fairly quickly, especially in our current tier where the builds are effectively locked to skirmish dot specs where SQ's and SW's tab target for multi dot application... As a result, if you have more AP and are therefore able to continually use more and more abilities than your AP drained counterpart... you are able to more reliably land sustained damage

6. Because SW's bring group utility via Leading Shots which grants add'l crit chance to your team

1. Spiked squig does more than compensate for the lower base dmg. The pet is pretty reliable (I'm not hearing anyone crying about wl either?), if you can't micro manage, maybe the class isn't for you.

2.SW uses skirmisher stance to dmg, not assault.

3.SH has squig frenzy? (offensive tool btw.)

4. off gcd disarm on your pet works really well, can be used to instantly disarm a wh coming out of stealth. By using it preemptively and with the right stance. Rkd is great no doubt.

5. SH pet doesn't rely on ap-> good sustained dmg

6. Not sure if stacking with DT on this server, if no (which should be the case, as tactic+tactic shouldn't stack) it's way less useful than ppl make it


Oh and finally your signature? "Because stacking ws on sh is less useful than on sw" - Tomato

You know that this is completly right, I think you said it urself in your post?
Stacking ws on sw will give you the benefit on 100% of your dmg, on sh you'll get only 50% from your ws onto your pet which makes it worse.

Don't get what you're trying to say with it anyway. I was right and you're wrong?

Edit: @Tklees, him making this signature, I wonder who's trying to drag it into "personal attacks" how you said it. Obv. it's the evil gankbus member again.

[mursie]

Stacking ws on sw will give you the benefit on 100% of your dmg, on sh you'll get only 50% from your ws onto your pet which makes it worse.

Both are physical damage dealers and as such, stacking weapon skill is of equal importance to both. The fact that one class is substantially better at it only further highlights the disparity between the two.

I find your statement amusing. Much like the previous statement in my signature from Thorindor. I have not slandered or changed the words you spoke. They are yours and quoted accordingly giving proper credit to the author. But when I read it, I get a chuckle. And this is good.

[tomato]

I used it to describe the efficiency of sw/sh against different armored targets.
Quoting things out of context, not surprised.

And even then, it's completly right, I just don't get the intention behind quoting it.
If you try to say you get the same profit from stacking ws on sh then on sw, you should maybe visit school again.

Responding in gifs seems already like school niveau.

[mursie]

I used it to describe the efficiency of sw/sh against different armored targets.
Quoting things out of context, not surprised.

Oh no need to remind me. I fully remember your point that a higher armor pen class (SW) is less efficient on lower armored targets than a lower armor pen class.

I just don't get the intention behind quoting it.
If you try to say you get the same profit from stacking ws on sh then on sw, you should maybe visit school again.

I explained the intention pretty clearly. Reading is fundamental. Something I learned in school.

[DefinitelyNotWingz]

Because stacking ws on sh is less useful than on sw

100% correct. Less useful doesnt necessarily mean that you are stacking balistic instead of ws.
Less useful means that 100% of the sw dmg profits from 100% ws, while 100% of the sh profits from 100% ws and the 100% squigdmg profits only from 50% of the bonus ws. 100% for sw, less than 100% for sh+pet. Less useful. Math.