Heaven's blade - Crushing blows

[roadkillrobin]

Don't see the point of this suggestion as why should the Heaven's blade be changed at all, as it's the only thing that can help elemental damage on Order side as there is no elemental resistance debuff for order classes where destruction can debuff every resistance type.

Feels like salty destruction player who hates losing his resistance against SM players. If you want to give aoe morale drain for Order it should be on either White Lion or Witch Hunter, then those classes would have more spots for warband play.

WH allready have a AoE morale drain but it sucks against tanks so hence you never see anyone mention it.
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter

WL is the best counter in the game to a destruction raze morale bomb due to echoing roar.
Both WH and WL got a better spot in warbands then Choppas and WE's do atm as the later serve no function purpose at all.

Nah mate, you clearly weren't even once on the receiving end of crushing blows and don't know how easily it drains conq geared tanks.

No never. I only played Order 2008-2012 almoast exclusivly.

So... not RoR?

I played in Kings Own when I played order here.
I have 5 or 6 level 40 order characters. Happy?

[kindred4080]

Just a disclaimer: i don't have an intention of being salty, i comment what i observe.

Nowadays WLs want to be more tanky and burst down any healer they encounter in one sequence, that is their current meta. It is way to hard for the vast majority of WLs to position their pet onto frontline tanks who use raze bomb (pet can't receive AoE dmg until it is targeted) and press that one button "Echoing Roar".

[Scrilian]

I played in Kings Own when I played order here.
I have 5 or 6 level 40 order characters. Happy?

That's exactly the point, because I distinctively remember that era, who the major "players" and how the warfare was conducted.
In that regard the main destruction powerhouse was PornFactory, who retained the all in all I'd say "classical russian" way of approaching the inter-warband conflict - aka the heavy reliance on initial push of dozens of aoe sorcs into your backline, backed up by a rift and a rotation of defensive morals.

That has little or none resemblance of the way that, i.e. phalanx approach of tying you down with puddples, aoe slows and just applying frontlane pressure without pushing in, to build enough pump-time(10-15 seconds) for the raze-bomb, while denying the opposition of a coordinated attack, where Crushing Blows in without a doubt one of the most crucial elements.

I don't know how you would be on the receiving end of this, when you clearly weren't, because I know that Butcher, lead and organizer of that time, never employed monstro marauders in any serious fashion. You can ask Shooga or Shivers or any other derelict of that time here in RoR, would probably tell you the same thing.
It's making you sound more like "I have a black friend"

[roadkillrobin]

It's aneddote vs anectode anyway so no point in continueing.

[Scrilian]

Thank you for conceding the ground on this matter, many would just rush straight to the insults at this point and end up grayed out.

[roadkillrobin]

I was never against a morale drain. I think it's a good feuture. I would prefer it on IB/BG rather then SM/MA tho.
But just giving such a powerful tool to one side without giving the other side something that ballancing it out is just straight up PG.

[Scrilian]

Hell, make WE/WH/WL warband-viable, I'm all hands for it.
But to be frank, I'm not seeing the current picture of either realm wb power as something equal and not swayed in favor of the pump-drain combo, so, and this might be a bit biased, I'm not sure if anything given back to destro side is needed in this regard.

[Tesq]

Hell, make WE/WH/WL warband-viable, I'm all hands for it.
But to be frank, I'm not seeing the current picture of either realm wb power as something equal and not swayed in favor of the pump-drain combo, so, and this might be a bit biased, I'm not sure if anything given back to destro side is needed in this regard.

order side suffer from have

wl and wh not aoe-viable, those 2 classes have both mara tools

-aoe interrupts
-aoe moral drain

is not a case that choppa/wl/wh/we are cut out, choppa/wl are cross mirrored in bad things and wh/we dont have an aoe mastery at all basically....

regard HB debuff, both realm with BO/SM have now a different magus/engi debuff so bw/sorc have a resist debuff for every kind of dmg they can put out. Idk how a change could turn out for the bw (tough bw are better in aoe mode than sorc just by stick to funnel power)

[Thamor]

Don't see the point of this suggestion as why should the Heaven's blade be changed at all, as it's the only thing that can help elemental damage on Order side as there is no elemental resistance debuff for order classes where destruction can debuff every resistance type.

Feels like salty destruction player who hates losing his resistance against SM players. If you want to give aoe morale drain for Order it should be on either White Lion or Witch Hunter, then those classes would have more spots for warband play.

WH allready have a AoE morale drain but it sucks against tanks so hence you never see anyone mention it.
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter

WL is the best counter in the game to a destruction raze morale bomb due to echoing roar.
Both WH and WL got a better spot in warbands then Choppas and WE's do atm as the later serve no function purpose at all.

No never. I only played Order 2008-2012 almoast exclusivly.

So... not RoR?

I played in Kings Own when I played order here.
I have 5 or 6 level 40 order characters. Happy?

You are kidding right, tactic that works only 25% chance and you need to be able to hit from behind + on a class that doesn't have any aoe skills. Dragon gun & 1 more tactic to hit 3 targets...use your brains or play order if you come up with this kind of points.

[Valfaros]

Spoiler:

Don't see the point of this suggestion as why should the Heaven's blade be changed at all, as it's the only thing that can help elemental damage on Order side as there is no elemental resistance debuff for order classes where destruction can debuff every resistance type.

Feels like salty destruction player who hates losing his resistance against SM players. If you want to give aoe morale drain for Order it should be on either White Lion or Witch Hunter, then those classes would have more spots for warband play.

WH allready have a AoE morale drain but it sucks against tanks so hence you never see anyone mention it.
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter

WL is the best counter in the game to a destruction raze morale bomb due to echoing roar.
Both WH and WL got a better spot in warbands then Choppas and WE's do atm as the later serve no function purpose at all.

So... not RoR?

I played in Kings Own when I played order here.
I have 5 or 6 level 40 order characters. Happy?

You are kidding right, tactic that works only 25% chance and you need to be able to hit from behind + on a class that doesn't have any aoe skills. Dragon gun & 1 more tactic to hit 3 targets...use your brains or play order if you come up with this kind of points.

Sigh...He even says the tactic is bad he only mentions it to point out it's useless to give wh another tactic when he already has one. The easier way is to just buff the excisting tactic instead of introducing another one...

As for heavens blade double ability resitance debuff is just not okay. Devs said it's going to go away but introducing a effortless spammable (3gcd) moral drain is just as imbalanced. +Are we really comparing a 12 points tactic (marauder) to a core stance (SM) sigh again.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't heavens blade (ability) used to just not stack with other abilitys so now after this strange behavior finally gets fixed you want something just as broken. Correct me again but isn't order site already the site where most bomb guilds sit with TUP the only one remaining on destro (while now even starting on order aswell).

I mean I would just adjust it to BO therefore making SM a tank that can replace the knight because he can bring the crucial resitance buff now. Making it possible to run SM/IB just as it is possible to run BO/BG on destro. I would certainly find this more intressting.

However speaking of moral drain. I would certainly find it okay to adjust WH in a way that he is useful in warbands (same for we) so reworking the tactic he has is a way to do it I'd say.