Solo class what to pick?

[catholicism198]

Why are people recommending a Shaman for solo play?
They're decent in t1/t2 but after that they're just considered easy kills- they are also the least desirable healer of the lot.

Still feel WH is the way to go.
On live DoTs and DMG would break your stealth but not here- here it's just oped.

[grumcajs]

Why are people recommending a Shaman for solo play?
They're decent in t1/t2 but after that they're just considered easy kills- they are also the least desirable healer of the lot.

Still feel WH is the way to go.
On live DoTs and DMG would break your stealth but not here- here it's just oped.

shaman is good class for solo roam from t1 to t4.

with racial tactic he can kite very well, not to mention he can spec for burst http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sha ... ;;0:0:0:0:

Hurts don it tactic reduces toughness for hell of an ammount, your snare puddle also debuff ele resists.
When u cycle BB (for tough debuff), 'Ere we go! , BB + Big Waaagh" + Bunch o'Waagh + dot ticks makes a nice burst

or you can go for silence instead of toughness hot. Depends on your playstyle.


About that least desirable healers - well...yea. Zealot + dok or even double dok are better BUT shamy isnt bad at all. If devs would rethink balancing kotbs tripple shatter, shamy would get a lot better than its now. Without that heavy counter they are actually nice healers especially for gobbo roam grp but can heal without problem even in large scale.

They have 2 dots (or 3 with cleanse tactic), they provide ST AP drain, aoe snare puddle, some unique debuffs etc.

I think if their balance is made to work like it should (to throw insta lifetap here and there when mechanic is full) it would make shammies very nice addition to a grp

[catholicism198]

That build require rr60- so unless you've been spamming oil and aoe hellcannons like the current high rrs were- it's going to take a good while to be able to use that build. Even then, what you are suggesting take a lot of prep time.
they also only get two dots- the other dot was removed when they nerfed the career.

They're not bad healers... they're just not first choice- or second- for premades.

[magter3001]

waronlinebuilder.org - Shaman build

This was a good early build on live.

You dot an enemy up then put the puddle and go for Big Waaagh, followed by Bunch O waaaagh. You can kill most classes with that except for healers. Shamans usually never die as well because they got run away and can choose who they want to kill and who they decide to let live. Gork Sez Stop is also nice vs multiple opponents.

That should help you get to RR60 eventually. Ride that AAO and kill stragglers.

[Morf]

Dps am would be your best choice, good CC, high damage(most times putting all your dots on an unhealed target will kill them) and healing, as long as you can kite and are not expecting to tank 2 players at once and kill them at the same time you should do very well.

shaman is good class for solo roam from t1 to t4.

with racial tactic he can kite very well, not to mention he can spec for burst http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sha ... ;;0:0:0:0:

Hurts don it tactic reduces toughness for hell of an ammount, your snare puddle also debuff ele resists.
When u cycle BB (for tough debuff), 'Ere we go! , BB + Big Waaagh" + Bunch o'Waagh + dot ticks makes a nice burst

or you can go for silence instead of toughness hot. Depends on your playstyle.


About that least desirable healers - well...yea. Zealot + dok or even double dok are better BUT shamy isnt bad at all. If devs would rethink balancing kotbs tripple shatter, shamy would get a lot better than its now. Without that heavy counter they are actually nice healers especially for gobbo roam grp but can heal without problem even in large scale.

They have 2 dots (or 3 with cleanse tactic), they provide ST AP drain, aoe snare puddle, some unique debuffs etc.

I think if their balance is made to work like it should (to throw insta lifetap here and there when mechanic is full) it would make shammies very nice addition to a grp

It sounds good on paper but in order to kill stuff you have to stand still and cast which will get you killed, you cant spam dots and stand still only to finish a target off like am's can.
Its quite easy to kill a dps sham as a wh/sw/wl/dps am/dps sm and dps ib(same level/geared players) as you cant lifetap enough to keep yourself alive or heal yourself through the damage, situations vary ofc and if u did manage to pull it off its going to take alot of effort and time, time that gives the chance for others to jump in the fight.

[Morf]

waronlinebuilder.org - Shaman build

This was a good early build on live.

You dot an enemy up then put the puddle and go for Big Waaagh, followed by Bunch O waaaagh. You can kill most classes with that except for healers. Shamans usually never die as well because they got run away and can choose who they want to kill and who they decide to let live. Gork Sez Stop is also nice vs multiple opponents.

That should help you get to RR60 eventually. Ride that AAO and kill stragglers.

If you run that build u miss out on the biggest toughness debuff in the game which imo is mandatory for a dps sham spec, silence is nice but you will never kill a healer anyway and you should be able to kill bw's pretty easily if u pay attention to timestamps to absorb or detaunt the burst.

Run away is nice an all and can be seen as op when fighting players who are not aware of covering stuff/cleansing and keeping track of debuffs and **** but when you come across a decent player or 2 who can cover snares/heal debuffs and stuff and also make the most of resolute defense and CC, run away does pretty much nutin.

[grumcajs]

That build require rr60- so unless you've been spamming oil and aoe hellcannons like the current high rrs were- it's going to take a good while to be able to use that build. Even then, what you are suggesting take a lot of prep time.
they also only get two dots- the other dot was removed when they nerfed the career.

They're not bad healers... they're just not first choice- or second- for premades.

I had no idea I can only show spec for 40/40 ...

You can spec shamy as you want. In solo heal debuff isnt needed at all - even pure dps classes have a hard time to burst through heal spec healers detaunt so there is really low chance to kill them on dps healer. Unless you coordinate it with silence before he can reapply the detaunt and max burst them in that time followed by AP drain. Still its easier to just gank dps classes.

I was just trying to point out shamy is still very strong class in solo v X players - high mobility, can get to solid toughness and even have tools to provide some burst with massive toughness debuff and ele debuff (so you will face pretty much no mitigation vs non-tank classes).

And I know they have only 2 dots, dots wont kill people in few secs. Its just additional dmg.

And it doesnt take a lot of prep time at all. You can dot up your target, Ere we go, bash puddle, BB (2sec), BW (1sec), green laser (insta). Then u can either start kiting or aoe kb and in another rotation any non healed class should be dead.

EDIT - sure it also depends on situation - is it 1v1 or 1vX, mdps or rdps or mix, tank involved, are you ambushed or is it you who were able to catch them etc.

[magter3001]

waronlinebuilder.org - Shaman build

This was a good early build on live.

You dot an enemy up then put the puddle and go for Big Waaagh, followed by Bunch O waaaagh. You can kill most classes with that except for healers. Shamans usually never die as well because they got run away and can choose who they want to kill and who they decide to let live. Gork Sez Stop is also nice vs multiple opponents.

That should help you get to RR60 eventually. Ride that AAO and kill stragglers.

If you run that build u miss out on the biggest toughness debuff in the game which imo is mandatory for a dps sham spec, silence is nice but you will never kill a healer anyway and you should be able to kill bw's pretty easily if u pay attention to timestamps to absorb or detaunt the burst.

Run away is nice an all and can be seen as op when fighting players who are not aware of covering stuff/cleansing and keeping track of debuffs and **** but when you come across a decent player or 2 who can cover snares/heal debuffs and stuff and also make the most of resolute defense and CC, run away does pretty much nutin.

I'm talking level 40/40. resist debuff from puddle helps a lot for your dps. I never got killed in 1v1 on live cuz I can always run away from those fights. Those 2 decent players usually do their own thing and don't waste their time trying to kill a shammy for the next 5 minutes who ends up kiting to a zerg anyways (enemy or friendly)

My spec is more mobile than stationary with you only needing to stand for 1 second to cast Big waaagh. Silence is good for 1v2 and I have killed healers with the spec at higher rr levels. There are a lot of people who don't bother detaunting and then get screwed over by the spike damage + heal debuff.

[Crymoor]

Don't roll a DPS Shaman for solo. They're not in the best spot right now. Still very playable, just very inferior. DPS AM is probably in the best spot as far as soloing goes right now, followed by SW. I'd also consider looking into the IB or maybe even a SM.

If you do decide to roll a DPS Shaman, please don't use those builds.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sha ... 5306:5307:

At the current gear level that's the spec you should be using if you want to burst as a Shaman. RA! is pretty much useless against all but WL's, and one might argue that with WL's as strong as they are it's pretty useless against them too. You can't really slack off with that build. Learn to kite/pre-kite well.

As far as renown goes, you'll want to pick up RD and put most of the rest into int.

[Morf]

I'm talking level 40/40. resist debuff from puddle helps a lot for your dps. I never got killed in 1v1 on live cuz I can always run away from those fights. Those 2 decent players usually do their own thing and don't waste their time trying to kill a shammy for the next 5 minutes who ends up kiting to a zerg anyways (enemy or friendly)

My spec is more mobile than stationary with you only needing to stand for 1 second to cast Big waaagh. Silence is good for 1v2 and I have killed healers with the spec at higher rr levels. There are a lot of people who don't bother detaunting and then get screwed over by the spike damage + heal debuff.

Yea the puddle is a must and is the only time you can stand still to cast, shamans are just to squishy to tank stuff and kill stuff when in a dps spec, you can ofc spec more def with off gear but that aint really dps and you will struggle to kill stuff that has half a brain. I have killed dps shamans on my kotbs when i have caught them and my kotbs isnt even dps.
Its common to have like 100 toughness and 0 armor when debuffed in dps spec and only having 1 lifetap dot and 1 hot means you aint healing through the damage someone can burst you with.

A mobile spec shaman can only kill lowbies/undergeared players who are unhealed, you have 2 dots and 1 tik of bunch of waagh with ere we go, thats it, i have tried running full dps build with nothing def at all and healers can just laugh at you while you are trying your hardest to kill them and when you get caught and kd you are toast, sure noobs who dont detaunt or know what they are doing yea you can do it but that goes for every class and doesnt really mean its viable.

Anyway the op was asking about order so lets not derail the thread even more about shamans