Two Hand vs Shield

[Jaycub]

It's been discussed a bit before, and the general consensus is usually that 2H sucks in most cases and only really viable with specific mechanics like the chosen's oppressing blows.

But if we ignore everything class specific and just look at general stats (damage bonus, block, parry, procs, and mechanics like strike-through). What exactly is gained/loss by using either? How much increased damage am I getting out of going 2h over s/b? How much mitigation am I losing from block? etc...

If we look at the chosen RR 70 gear as an example....

2H
Titan's Direblade of Vice
S/B
Sentry's Sword of Vice
Shieldbearer's Herald of Vice

So the 2H has 32 more DPS than the 1h, flat stats and things like parry/crit/power seem to be equal even if the itemization on the shield is defensive focused rather than offensive like the weapons I think those can be thrown out for the sake of keeping things simple? The shield gives 28.5% block from rating alone.

And here is where I am a bit stumped, it sounds like you are giving up 28.5% block for an increase of 32 weapon dps? Which is like 160 str? It just seems too shitty to be real.

[Coryphaus]

2hs need to have increased weapon dps i think

Back when we just got tier 3 scenario weapons, i did some math comparing 2 duel wielded 1hs vs 1 2h and the 2h had a flat base dmg advantage of 19 dps but then i factored in talismans and where in the end the dw's had an advantage of 1 dps when tallis were factored in.

So yeah 2hs need dmg buffs

[Genisaurus]

It's funny, it seems like only yesterday that people were up in arms on the Bioware forums about 2H tanks being able to guard, getting to be "Tanks and DPS with no drawbacks." Now here we are talking about buffing their DPS. Maybe old forum PvP vets like Penril remember those rage posts.

I'm not saying either opinion is right or wrong, it just strikes me as a funny sign of the times. In any case, keep this inevitable-24-page-thread civil, and remember that we're not going to pay a bit of attention to this until T4.

[Abolition]

It's funny, it seems like only yesterday that people were up in arms on the Bioware forums about 2H tanks being able to guard, getting to be "Tanks and DPS with no drawbacks." Now here we are talking about buffing their DPS. Maybe old forum PvP vets like Penril remember those rage posts.

I'm not saying either opinion is right or wrong, it just strikes me as a funny sign of the times. In any case, keep this inevitable-24-page-thread civil, and remember that we're not going to pay a bit of attention to this until T4.

#REKT

Also, in b4 the usual "6v6 me bruh" e-peen stroking from we-know-who

[Coryphaus]

Well its a mixed bag especially with tanks, you give up a lot on certain classes like BG and get very little in return, where as other classes like chosen give up destined for victory if they go 2h but they get access to an easier way to apply crippling stikes and a crit tactic

[Jaycub]

It's funny, it seems like only yesterday that people were up in arms on the Bioware forums about 2H tanks being able to guard, getting to be "Tanks and DPS with no drawbacks." Now here we are talking about buffing their DPS. Maybe old forum PvP vets like Penril remember those rage posts.

I'm not saying either opinion is right or wrong, it just strikes me as a funny sign of the times. In any case, keep this inevitable-24-page-thread civil, and remember that we're not going to pay a bit of attention to this until T4.

People back then were scrublords ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ

[Valnak]

Wasn't there also some type of hidden damage modifier in offhands/books/shields?

Also, the argument of going shield "just so I live longer" is just as stupid as going 2h "just so I do more damage."

[Toldavf]

I was actually running a defensive 2 hander build on live for IB. Was very successful stuff I could survive the train focusing me easily.

I did want to do the same here and run a crippling strikes bot on my chosen but with the current abundance of BW, no TB and a lack of general avoidance due to gear im sticking with my shield for now.

[Joshwa70]

Sm is the answer shlomo... run a sm.

[Joshwa70]

Sm is the answer shlomo... run a sm.