My 40/40 spec and loving it...

[zabis]

Had someone whisper me that they were going to report me for hacking, due to my AMAZING (lol) damage tonight... Figured I'd at least post the s/b spec I'm using

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... 1:895:905:

[roadkillrobin]

Id probobly skip detaunt tactic for rugged or some other defensive tactic. The build looks pretty versetile for puging. But since you ran the detaunt tactic I asume this is a loldps-not-guarding build? If you would run with premade I would probobly specialize it alot more.

[TenTonHammer]

Your dismissal of the detaunt tactic makes no sense robin firstly the detuant tactic along with wp debuff, choking fury, out going heal debuff, 5s KD, and crit boost allow you to apply serious pressure to healers, doubly so if you pair a Mara with draining swipes, furthermore BG is perhaps the most offensively focused tank and this build and espically the detaunt tactic lets Bg do just that

Secondly a vast majority of the detaunts in this game are AoE which reduce the effectiveness of your crits from the crit boost tactic

Thirdly between chosen auras, self buff and gear, their is no reason to go for the toughness tactic especially now that were at a point where toughness feels like it's giving dimishing returns nor is their any real reason to go up that tree now since big brawlin is much better that WoS


Lastly to dismiss this build as loldps not guard people is fool hardy to say the least, that's like saying that becuase some one went 2h tank, they are loldps and are incapable of guarding people and stuff

Yes this is the DPS spec for BG, but you can very well and easily preform your role as a tank if your even a half decent player

Zabis drop blade of ruin, it's a waste of a GCD for a slow ticking dot, save up the pts for elite training

[roadkillrobin]

The thing is. If your a guarding tank and don't have any defense and opponents realize this they gonna focus you down instead of the dps you're guarding coz you're an easier kill. Then the dps you were guarding is a free kill. Then casters and so on. Tanks need high survivabillity to do their job of mitigrating dmg. Their secondary role is to increase killing capacity of their group. This mainly comes from debuffs and buffs. But if you cant do your first priority job of mitigrating dmg you are gonna fail the secondry role aswell. The anti detaunt tactic has the least vallue imo. Crit helps proc wounds debuff. And AA haste helps keeping it up. Then its armor debuff. And toughness debuff. Add a initive debuff from like a WE and you have every single defensive stat lowered that your group can benefit from. Thats gonna be tons more efficiant then you "maybe" gets detaunted. However you cant do any of those things if you are dead.

[zabis]

You're both right. Yes, anti-detaunt is great for pressuring the healers. Yes, the tank need to be defensively minded, so you can protect your guarded target. But, you have to find the offense/defense balance. If you are mega-turtle tanky, you will be the last person on the battlefield after your group gets wiped, and maybe if you had some extra offense, you could have taken down target X. Also, if you are loldeeps, you will get targetted quick, focused down, and the rest of your group will suffer for it. Life is about finding that happy-medium. I've found mine!! Cheers

[TenTonHammer]

Once again that is absolutely false to assume that you cannot have defensive stats while having an offensive spec espically considering that it is defensive gear/sets in this game that give +block % chance

even a 2h tank can be defensive and survivable while if the spec and build their toon properly

secondly every thing you listed wounds debuff, armor debuff, tough debuff etc, half the majority of debuffs BG provides pales in comparison to the ones that can be brought by mara and other classes that its not even necessary to apply them some of the times, hastened doom is only really useful for AA haste unless your spamming murderous wrath

dropping points into a tree so that you can solo soft cap toughness when you can already get pretty close to doing it with solo buffs, gear, and a chosen means that its not necessary and a waste of a tac slot

Lastly detaunt + a guard is pretty big damage mititgation beging able to completly ignore 1 with a tactic and the other with your superpunt is pretty big

[stillwaterww]

How do you gear and talisman slot for this build zabis?

[zabis]

Right now I'm in Devastator gear with tough/wounds talis, but I want to try this build with Merc gear + tough/wounds talis

[roadkillrobin]

Once again that is absolutely false to assume that you cannot have defensive stats while having an offensive spec espically considering that it is defensive gear/sets in this game that give +block % chance

even a 2h tank can be defensive and survivable while if the spec and build their toon properly

secondly every thing you listed wounds debuff, armor debuff, tough debuff etc, half the majority of debuffs BG provides pales in comparison to the ones that can be brought by mara and other classes that its not even necessary to apply them some of the times, hastened doom is only really useful for AA haste unless your spamming murderous wrath

dropping points into a tree so that you can solo soft cap toughness when you can already get pretty close to doing it with solo buffs, gear, and a chosen means that its not necessary and a waste of a tac slot

Lastly detaunt + a guard is pretty big damage mititgation beging able to completly ignore 1 with a tactic and the other with your superpunt is pretty big

Detaunt + Guard doest stack.
If you run with a Sav spec marauder you don't even run Malice spec BG.
You do something like this http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... 01:895:905:

[TenTonHammer]

You misunderstand what i said; perhaps i should have been clearer, i said that detaunt and guard are both tools that do a lot for damage mitigation and with super punt you can negate the effectiveness of guard and anti detuant ignores the other.

Secondly their is not point in going that far up deft tank tree for Wave of Scorn, if you want an AoE snare then Big Brawlin's 30 fts snare on a 5s CD is much better

Furthermore maras stuff can be cleansed so if you need to reapply something while your maras stuff is on CD then you can and BG's debuffs are still the second highest on destro with max hate ad passing up on the crit boost and AA haste tactics is a mistake