Meanwhile, Lets talk about IB/BG usefulnes

[Adelmar]

We need Majinbuu or Kefalas to play their BGs to show you how it's done I think.

As for usefulness, in my opinion (especially in a 6-man), it would go KotBS>IB>SM for order and of course Chosen>BG>BO for destruction.

[TenTonHammer]

Eww no plz don't waste te potential of a tank with 2h dps spec with snb especially in later tiers is better further more that "rr expansion" was pay to win and broke t4 balance even more and devs have already said that we will only go up to rr80

[Jayzboi]

Eww no plz don't waste te potential of a tank with 2h dps spec with snb especially in later tiers is better further more that "rr expansion" was pay to win and broke t4 balance even more and devs have already said that we will only go up to rr80

[Coryphaus]

Stop trying to confuse people curious about this class by implying false information ordo scum!

Seriouly, you give up a lot of survivability with out SnB and become food for rdps and you give up a lot like your KD without shield, its not worth it to go lolmdps, you wanna do that then play a propa mdps class

[Cornerback]

Stop trying to confuse people curious about this class by implying false information ordo scum!

Seriouly, you give up a lot of survivability with out SnB and become food for rdps and you give up a lot like your KD without shield, its not worth it to go lolmdps, you wanna do that then play a propa mdps class

+1!

Giving up snb, especially when using guard, is useless. you give up too much survivability. 1h dps is also okay, but you are a lot tougher. plus, you have another knockdown.

[mickeye]

Cawewin.
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[Bretin]

Cawewin.
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cave-win*
spiteful slam.
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fixed it for you

[mickeye]

Cave-in was pure reason why every group oriented IB went for 2h. IB like this was awesomeness for every melee guardee: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... 2:;0:0:0:0:

Of course, in RvR you have to go s&b, but in smallscale, this was the setup.

On the other hand, there's no reason why BG should go to 2h, especially because of Spiteful Slam.

[Luth]

Cave-in was altered to 3 second duration in one of the later patches, like all non-class mechanic dependant knockdowns.

The term "cave-win" was used because of the superiour 4 second duration before that patch.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... ;;0:0:0:0:

Old "Cave-Win":

https://web.archive.org/web/20090510035 ... px?id=1384

[Bretin]

cave-win is still a borderline broken skill nvm if it got nerfed or not. there is no reason why you want a group oriented ib to go s/b. you have no benefits and besides the dmg a defensive oriented 2h ib deals is insanely strong due to high tooltipp damage. if you wanna go s/b with the ib, play solo and lame ppl to death but groupwise it's braindead and not necessary. a 2h tank is not automatically squishy and you won't sacrifice your defense if you are at least semi decent at the game.

this:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... :3759:3760: