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[Telen]

i got real number, solo healer on official take 20/30% heal more than group heal

Sounds about right

[Tesq]

i got real number, solo healer on official take 20/30% heal more than group heal

Sounds about right

and that's with out renow boost from rvr pack.......i saw a 150k of renow once in a sc

[Telen]

and that's with out renow boost from rvr pack.......i saw a 150k of renow once in a sc

Impossible without double rp most ive seen with boost was 50k

[Tesq]

I understand the public's frustration about solo healing and the rewarding benefits that come with it... as much as I get why solo healers are doing it.

Right or wrong, bottom line is nobody can't tell anyone what to do if it's a feature in the game.
Personally I hope nothing major really changes in RoR, things remain mostly the same for us die hard War lovers out there.

But, if you insist, it'd be nice to have oog guard as a tank. Just saying.

well there'are case which ppl directly exit from party to leech not considering play sc at all, that's what we would like to prevent, or situation where they are able to heal but they prefer let die ppl around until they get wipe out for leech, it can become quite frustrating if you play a melee, or if you are the healer and the other one leech your renow.....

[Telen]

well there'are case which ppl directly exit from party to leech not considering play sc at all, that's what we would like to prevent, or situation where they are able to heal but they prefer let die ppl around until they get wipe out for leech, it can become quite frustrating if you play a melee, or if you are the healer and the other one leech your renow.....

You misunderstand Tesq. Some healers gimp themselves completely by leaving group. While for AM and in some respects Shaman it has hardly any effect. You can heal just as well oog as they have no group support skills. This is the crux of the games balance issues. Some classes are well designed and complement each other and some were just shoved in not finished and add nothing to a group.

When you have a system where 6 man parties are the basis of game play while there are 3 classes per archetype you will always have one that get the short straw. More abilities should have been usable across warbands so having every class was preferable. As it is whichever class per archetype has least 6 man group support will always be underpowered.

You are obsessed with the problem and not the root cause.

[Bozzax]

The core of the problem is different renown mechanism in and outside group. This will remain an issue until they are made equal. We can debate AMs shortcomings good or bad players etc but this will never lead to a soloution

[Telen]

The core of the problem is different renown mechanism in and outside group. This will remain an issue until they are made equal. We can debate AMs shortcomings good or bad players etc but this will never lead to a soloution

No the core is that no class should be able to drop group without gimping itself. WP cant do it. RP can't do it. They lose a ton of group support. If AM had half of what those classes had AM would never drop group.

[Bozzax]

Ofc ppl will gimp their heals to get 20% more renown. More or less all who post in this forum would gladly sell their grandma for 20% more renown

[Telen]

Ofc ppl will gimp their heals to get 20% more renown. More or less all who post in this forum would gladly sell their grandma for 20% more renown

AM/Shaman dont though thats the issue. They have no unique group support that other classes can't do far better.
If an RP or WP drops group they completely gimp themselves as they have tons of group orientated skills and tactics.
AM/Shaman oog loses very little in comparison and will still contribute as (un)effectively. While players staying dead or just standing around contribute nothing.

Every class must be able to contribute evenly to group if you want to encourage group play.
As woatan points out there will always be ways to game the system. Encourage group play by giving every class more effect in group than out. Not just having certain classes work in group far far better than others.

I myself would love if they were willing to change the way renown is gained. If the devs are willing to alter game mechanics then that would mean they aren't just going to recreate the game as it was and will make it better and balance the classes.

[Ley]

Vampire why you so rude man?
Do you know all the staff members are working their asses off just so you, me and others have a WAR server to play on? Stop being a whiny lil' bitch and show them some respect. They spend their free time working on this server just so we can enjoy a game. It isn't easy you know....
Who the heck cares who you like or not... the respect for a human being should always be there, even more that we are a community and want the server to keep growing.
Stop being a shitbrick ,stop trying to make people like you just because you dare to insult the staff members.
Wanna be liked and appreciated? Be nice, appreciate what others do for you.
If you're DAT **** dumb to ruin our community... at least don't freaking wave around for other to see it.
Stay put and you'll get your bone.
Good dog.