Long Overdue WE/WH

[velenne]

Being the best at a role and being viable in a role are not the same thing, you might be conflating otherwise. There are a great many highly performing Witch Elves and Witch Hunters out there who make their way into 6v6 and warband level content. This is definitely one of the harder classes to be successful on, and they probably will be in the future as well. Again, that doesn't mean we won't find some tweaks, but if you're expecting a broad overhaul I would find that unlikely.

Rest assured I'm not conflating, but rather (trying to) convey my experiences after playing the class to nearly 70rr and hearing from other WH's. I'll concede that I play the game for PvP, so I can't speak to PvE or even small party scenarios. I truly understand that I'm speaking from a limited perspective. That said, you seem to have an impression that I (perhaps we, the WH's) am attempting to disabuse you of. I could make my case more strongly but the written word can be such a harsh medium for strong feelings. So long as you believe the class is balanced in spite of the many threads such as this and those in the Empire forums, the WH voices will simply echo in the din. [1] [2] [3] [4]

Also, my comments are not intended to stifle discussion, but to provide appropriate expectations so people don't take those expectations upon themselves or derive expectations from a lack of staff feedback.

I'll reiterate that I appreciate your feedback, I really do! I'm hoping to emphasize the need for change and offer productive discussions before any changes take place, rather than after when subsequent changes would take far longer to come around again.

[Arziak]

I suggest stop sharing cd between seal of destrution,santified and disrupt could be a good step.
Maybe add some passive bonnus to this skills, but when you active use it, the passive bonnus disappear until you get cd back.
Something like :
Seal of destruction: 10% ignore armor passive ( maybe 6 group buff too)
Magnus: 10% disrupt( again could be a group buff)
Santified : here I have 2 ideas, when use it reduce speed by half, but let us enter full stealth, or, maybe 15% passive speed bonus while stealth only

[Atropik]

There are a great many highly performing Witch Elves and Witch Hunters out there who make their way into 6v6 and warband level content.

Oh, Im begging you, some people can make their way into that even as a dps runnie.

I came here for a guide, how do i get to the city siege as a WE?

[Sulorie]

I came here for a guide, how do i get to the city siege as a WE?

It takes some practice and don't get discouraged when it fails on first try but you walk up to the portal and join queue. =)

[Atropik]

First time i tried, i waited for 40 mins till the siege was over0. So i asked my friend and they told me, - id better had a group.

We grouped up with my friends, but you know, they all are just a bunch of russian nerds who do honestly believe they are the best player in the world. So we were 3 we, and 1 dps BO, we had no healers cause every healer we invited immediately gone for some mysterious reasons. We queued and siege popped for us, but we lost, still we were doing our best at picking up 1 of 24 guys and killing him quickly.

We tried to queue duo with another WE, quickly i found out that nobody there walks alone or even as a couple, unfortunately. So i got bored and logged out.

I tried my best at channel /5 lfg city we rr 84 and so on, but, you know, there were not so many offers.

So the question is - what am i doing wrong with it? and how do i get Sov gear? reroll? wait for another 2 years till it will be easy to get?

[kryss]

First time i tried, i waited for 40 mins till the siege was over0. So i asked my friend and they told me, - id better had a group.

We grouped up with my friends, but you know, they all are just a bunch of russian nerds who do honestly believe they are the best player in the world. So we were 3 we, and 1 dps BO, we had no healers cause every healer we invited immediately gone for some mysterious reasons. We queued and siege popped for us, but we lost, still we were doing our best at picking up 1 of 24 guys and killing him quickly.

We tried to queue duo with another WE, quickly i found out that nobody there walks alone or even as a couple, unfortunately. So i got bored and logged out.

I tried my best at channel /5 lfg city we rr 84 and so on, but, you know, there were not so many offers.

So the question is - what am i doing wrong with it? and how do i get Sov gear? reroll? wait for another 2 years till it will be easy to get?

Stealthers' best option, at the moment, is to farm zone flips for invader/sovereign bags (currency in gold, purple, blue) and solo join pugs/random cities. It's basically what they want us to do since they nerfed our AoE (and for WHs, also made obsolete the morale drain component via buffing SWs). Damage is not so bad (it was great with 9 aoe targets, you could easily outdps almost everybody if you played right), but meta is meta and ppl won't invite/want you in their premades. There might be a spot for one WE, but not for WHs anymore (you simply get a SW now). I farmed my sovereign and warlord gear some months ago in Git's premade, when he was order based, but again, WH was an excellent drainer (with vitriolic tactic especially) AND damage dealer at the same time. Now things are different, ppl discovered AoE WLs, and, ofc, the "new" SW. Bad times indeed. Things might change, there are nice ideas around, but not in the short term

[velenne]

Stealthers' best option, at the moment, is to farm zone flips for invader/sovereign bags (currency in gold, purple, blue) and solo join pugs/random cities. It's basically what they want us to do since they nerfed our AoE (and for WHs, also made obsolete the morale drain component via buffing SWs). Damage is not so bad (it was great with 9 aoe targets, you could easily outdps almost everybody if you played right), but meta is meta and ppl won't invite/want you in their premades. There might be a spot for one WE, but not for WHs anymore (you simply get a SW now). I farmed my sovereign and warlord gear some months ago in Git's premade, when he was order based, but again, WH was an excellent drainer (with vitriolic tactic especially) AND damage dealer at the same time. Now things are different, ppl discovered AoE WLs, and, ofc, the "new" SW. Bad times indeed. Things might change, there are nice ideas around, but not in the short term

You're the third WH I've heard say "Just farm zone flips and afk in city". It's gotten that bad.

[lyncher12]

how do you think shadow warriors were getting into city? form the warband yourself or know someone

[Nekkma]

Que with a 6man single target melee train. Problem solved. Don't bring the "solo gank" mentality to a wb fight, and if you do, don't expect to win or get invited again.

[Atropik]

Que with a 6man single target melee train. Problem solved. Don't bring the "solo gank" mentality to a wb fight, and if you do, don't expect to win or get invited again.

Good point, but there are some issues with this:
- Healer would better join aoe wb with almost 100% city win probability, than struggling with "single target melee train", i would personally do so if i were a healer. xd
- I am a solo gank mentality guy playing the sologank mentality class, and furthermore, devs themselves told me this is my niche and i should stfu, gtfo and enjoy life with it.
- Even been invited, i keep feeling that if i were a choppa or a maradeur i could do my job much much much much better either in aoe wb or in a "melee single target train", so i feel a little bit frustrated about how it goes.