[Engineer,Magus]Keg,Aegis change v.2

[Penril]

Why is it not okay to introduce a limit to stacking of kegs in order to reduce the scale issue in keep defenses?

Because there is no issue, until someone can prove that a 10 keg engi WB can beat the destro WB i mentioned.

[Daknallbomb]

Why is it not okay to introduce a limit to stacking of kegs in order to reduce the scale issue in keep defenses?

How keg is an issue in keep defence ?
Please give an exemple of wb 24vs24 to explain it

I believe the issue is not in small scale rvr ( so I do not believe 24vs24 is a good example), but as the numbers scale higher the issue begins to present itself.

Hmm If u scale higher than 24 vs 24 much higher i Cant See that Tons of kegs dat stack an gvie more heals than like The Best grp heal can be not OP

[Grunbag]

Why having the keg healing only party would nerf a lot keg :
Let imagine a premade or organised party :
2 tanks 2 heals 1engineer tinkerer and 1bw
First the engineer would not stack his keg with anyother one .
Then where to put your keg ? On healer and bw so the 2 tanks wold be out of keg range ? And engineer would be on the back to cannot attack any destro(-40% range debuff cause of flameturret) so he won't make any single damage .
If engineer place his keg on 2 tanks keg would only heal the 2 tanks (we move from 9 target out of party to 2 target in party)
In any case keg would only heal half of party

[Daknallbomb]

Why is it not okay to introduce a limit to stacking of kegs in order to reduce the scale issue in keep defenses?

Because there is no issue, until someone can prove that a 10 keg engi WB can beat the destro WB i mentioned.

Cause of the engi dont have to be in the wb to Group heal tham

[Penril]

Why is it not okay to introduce a limit to stacking of kegs in order to reduce the scale issue in keep defenses?

Because there is no issue, until someone can prove that a 10 keg engi WB can beat the destro WB i mentioned.

Cause of the engi dont have to be in the wb to Group heal tham

Then we are talking about a WB + adds vs a WB, where larger numbers will obviously have an advantage. What part don't you get?

SHOW ME that a 24-man which has 10 Keg engies will roflpwnstomp a balanced Destro WB with AoE Sorcs/Choppas/Magus/DPS Zealot + a few maras and real healers.

After 18 pages, I'm starting to confirm what I initially thought: that Keg is a pug-only issue and therefore I shouldn't have moved this to Discussions (per Balance Discussions forum rules).

[Daknallbomb]

That doesent madder. Its The fact that a wb + 10 engi (nonhealer) vs a wb +10 what ever u want has a big advabtage in a Statik Fight like flags or lord room cause The non healer engi can stack up a 3k,grp heal to 9 ppl of the wb... Hell a 10 other healer cNt Do something like that

[Grunbag]

Do you think 10 healer add to 24 wb would make less heal that 10 engineer add of a 24 wb ?

[Penril]

That doesent madder. Its The fact that a wb + 10 engi (nonhealer) vs a wb +10 what ever u want has a big advabtage in a Statik Fight like flags or lord room cause The non healer engi can stack up a 3k,grp heal to 9 ppl of the wb... Hell a 10 other healer cNt Do something like that

Incorrect. Doks spamming Khaine's Refreshment will heal people for way more than a Keg can ever dream of.

So far, no one has proved that (given equal numbers) a keg-engi WB can beat the destro WB I mentioned. Also, no one has proved that Keg can save someone from a Sorc rotation, or from being focused by a coordinated group. Until someone does, I don't see an issue with Keg.

[Spacecraft]

Spoiler:

Lock this whine fest pls.

User has been issued a warning for this post. There has been enough warnings for everyone to know we don't allow ****-posting - Penril.

[Daknallbomb]

Doks are mayb a healing class?.. Aww me rly out ast Post u ppl got youre thing