What the FUDGE?

[drmordread]

Now a WH can not self punt after coming up from a KD? REALLY????
(And assuming it is same for a WE)
So basically if you get ganked you are dead? REALLY? No way to escape???? WOWWW!!!!!!!!!! Talk about destroying archetypes for no reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ON LIVE: Declare (and the WE ability) would break all Roots and Snares and take you to safety while snaring opponents. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL and WORKING AS INTENDED!

Seems for every awesome thing you (the Devs) do in getting this game back you break something for no reason. Yeah, no reason, I said it.

I love that you are working day and night to recreate this game
I accept (and wait to see) what this new RvR system you are working on is going to be like and can't wait to see it implemented.
You say there wont be changes made to archetypes till after the RvR system is complete ....

BUT you break the SW and WH ...
Give a Destro RDPS class an ability to get on walls...
Do not take into account that WE's have more CC (an AoE KD for one that does not require positioning) than a WH and can root them in place, while a WH can not do the same ...

Guess no one thought this through before breaking Declare and breaking the WH ... So someone on Destro must have cried reallllyyyy hard and you did it anyway !!!!!!!!

(Yeah Yeah I know... If I complain and point out how you screwed up I get banned)

[Gausskill]

REALLY???? REALLY? WOWWW!!!!!!!!!! no reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you break something for no reason. Yeah, no reason, I said it. Guess no one thought this through ... So someone on Destro must have cried reallllyyyy hard and you did it anyway !!!!!!!! (Yeah Yeah I know... If I complain and point out how you screwed up I get banned)

You probably could have gotten your point across and avoided insulting the devs by removing all of that.

[Azarael]

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Can someone please summarize?

[TenTonHammer]

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Can someone please summarize?

WH cant self punt after KD apparently now?

and mordred is not happy about that

[Azarael]

The self punt doesn't work if the target was KDed? Or after the WH was KDed? Or what?

The only condition on any self punt is that it will not function if the user is incapable of moving. That's common to all self punts and has been in the emulator for months. Both knockdowns and roots cause this check to fail if either is present when the handler is invoked.

[Krima]

I dont think it was intentional.. they also broke enfeblink strike / suden acusation.. So basicly WH/WE are doing less dmg..Will they ever fix it ? I opened up a ticket on bugtracker.. But who cares about WE and WH these days.
I dont think anyone on destro was crying about WH also..do you guys even kill anything ? I see WHs in ror geting rekt by everything 24/7

[Azarael]

The person handling combat and careers, as well as most PvP matters, is the same person that now handles RvR (aka, me.) I'm making a judgement call that RvR problems matter more than ability bugs.

[Rowhin]

The self punt doesn't work if the target was KDed? Or after the WH was KDed? Or what?

The only condition on any self punt is that it will not function if the user is incapable of moving. That's common to all self punts and has been in the emulator for months. Both knockdowns and roots cause this check to fail if either is present when the handler is invoked.

His post reads like he cannot self-punt using Declare after just coming back up from a KD himself. He assumes it's the same on WE, which apparently has a similar ability, but appears to have no evidence of that.

Oh, and he also claims that Declare and that WE ability broke all roots and snares and self-punted on live and that that is how it was intended.

And yeah, he seems really unhappy about that no longer working.

[Penril]

Didn't Declare Anathema failed on live if the target had Resolute Defense/was Unstoppable? Maybe that's the reason?

[Azarael]

Didn't Declare Anathema failed on live if the target had Resolute Defense/was Unstoppable? Maybe that's the reason?

Neither DA nor AE check this on RoR. They invoke two handlers: InvokeBuff and PuntSelf. InvokeBuff can never fail (because the buff system is based on a queue) so PuntSelf is always invoked. That means that if he's not getting a punt, he was rooted or knocked down at the time when the self punt handler went off.

Oh, and we can partially read the live buff handlers. I don't see anything about removing roots and snares, so he can shove that where the sun doesn't shine.