Overarching balance changes

[peterthepan3]

Let's make the game as carebear-esque as possible, ignore the fact that the vast majority of these 'disparities' and issues that are brought forward can actually be dealt with if the player forms a group themselves with friends (as the game revolves around), and remove anyone who has the audacity to suggest a person's inability to download addons, use guard correctly or /assist is because of a L2P issue.

Seriously you people of RoR

PS. INB4 Kweedko replies saying frog/froggy/froggin/some frog variation.

Game revolves around BIG FAT Frog. Meatspin.gif

Ok i have to admit - that did make me laugh xD

[Morf]

Still at it ? jeez... you know im the first person to say give pugs/lesser skilled players a break because some ppl are not capable of taking a hardcore approach or just dont care that much, however, the solutions are there, if ppl chose not to bother trying to improve they dont deserve to be catered to.

There are alot of helpful members of the community who would be more then welcome to help these players who lack the experience or knowledge, just ask and if they dont care to improve, hard luck, you dont change the rules of 100m because the guy who finished 10th doesnt have the same desire/natural ability as 1st place.

[Bretin]

There are alot of helpful members of the community who would be more then welcome to help these players who lack the experience or knowledge, just ask and if they dont care to improve, hard luck, you dont change the rules of 100m because the guy who finished 10th doesnt have the same desire/natural ability as 1st place.

nice confession son. sadly the insight comes a bit late. but hey i assume you are 1st place now yourself

at least we have a proof that sooner or later everyone can achieve his goals whether through a specific scene dying or with a little help either from friends or above - remember Maradona back in 1986.

[roadkillrobin]

Still at it ? jeez... you know im the first person to say give pugs/lesser skilled players a break because some ppl are not capable of taking a hardcore approach or just dont care that much, however, the solutions are there, if ppl chose not to bother trying to improve they dont deserve to be catered to.

There are alot of helpful members of the community who would be more then welcome to help these players who lack the experience or knowledge, just ask and if they dont care to improve, hard luck, you dont change the rules of 100m because the guy who finished 10th doesnt have the same desire/natural ability as 1st place.

You also don't let Mr: Smith 46 years old Accountant face Usain Bolt and Tyson Gay in thee same heat for obvius reasons.

I think solo sports here is a pretty bad comparison.

Premades facing pugs is basicly like you take a bunch of random football players, put earplugs in their ears and putting em up against the Denver Broncos

[Morf]

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nice confession son. sadly the insight comes a bit late. but hey i assume you are 1st place now yourself

at least we have a proof that sooner or later everyone can achieve his goals whether through a specific scene dying or with a little help either from friends or above - remember Maradona back in 1986.

All i read is "HEY OVER HERE GIVE ME SOME ATTENTION", you dont even play this game, go pester some kids in some sort of esports game where you can nerd/roid rage all day long knowing you are not alone.

[Morf]

You also don't let Mr: Smith 46 years old Accountant face Usain Bolt and Tyson Gay in thee same heat for obvius reasons.

I think solo sports here is a pretty bad comparison.

Premades facing pugs is basicly like you take a bunch of random football players, put earplugs in their ears and putting em up against the Denver Broncos

Nah i get it and thats kinda my point, i guess, you dont need natural ability to do the things the better players/groups do, all you need is a push in the right direction or a kick up the ass, hell when i started playing this game back in 2009 or whenever it was i was completely new to mmo's and didnt know jack ****, i stuck at it asked for advice and improved, others should do the same, its pretty dam simple when you get the hang of things, it just takes a bit of effort and experience.

And again im all for giving pugs/lesser players a better chance and im well aware without casual/pugs etc etc the game dies however this change to guard ppl are talking about does nothing at all, guard is not the problem, however making it clearer for ppl to see, those who dont run buffhead would be nice, you cant count on the basic ui as it can get buggy and display things that are not there, even then i dont really see anything changing.

[Haojin]

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[Bretin]

You also don't let Mr: Smith 46 years old Accountant face Usain Bolt and Tyson Gay in thee same heat for obvius reasons.

that's quite some proper bs here. Mr Smith had the same possibilities 35 years back but obiviously decided to be a lazy fck and spend his lifetime with other stuff.

ofc we can argue back and forth that prof. sportmen were genetically gifted. yet i highly believe that a lot of their success is a result of hard work and not of insane genetics. willpower, effort and hard work is what separates bolt from smith.

if you now discuss something regarding that sport you can't justify that the opinion of smith finds any audition when you have people like bolt and gay talking. he whether plays the sport like he did the past 35 years (lazy a.f.) or leave. it's a fact that his opinion is worth jackshit.

All i read is "HEY OVER HERE GIVE ME SOME ATTENTION"

hm that's weird and clearly not what i typed. read my post again m8.

[Jaycub]

The problem is the amount of pugs vs premades on this server, or the ratio/population etc... is extremely one sided.

I'd would love, and I'm sure most of hardcore players here would agree, to have constant or at least consistent within a certain period of day where 6v6 pops were plentiful and against many different groups etc... but that has essentially never existed on this server.

As a premade guild on this server you are very much a part of a system reliant on pugs. You rely on them in 12v12 scenarios (the main sc style you will play), you are dependent upon them in ORvR. One good alliance warband can do a lot, but not everything. You need to hold BO's, hold the keep, etc... And I often see these alliance warbands looking for pugs to fill their ranks even in EU prime time.

PUGs by the very nature are casual, and make up the majority playerbase of any online video game. You can't make them listen or learn, no matter how many guides you put up on the forums hardly any will read it, and even less will come to the forums entirely. They don't care as much as you and I, and they don't have to...

Systems that help pugs on this server will help everyone. The only people it wouldn't effect is guilds/players who only play in 6 mans, only que for CW, and don't care about the T4 ORvR campaign... just racking up kills with disregard to zone locks or pushes.

[Morf]

The problem is the amount of pugs vs premades on this server, or the ratio/population etc... is extremely one sided.

I'd would love, and I'm sure most of hardcore players here would agree, to have constant or at least consistent within a certain period of day where 6v6 pops were plentiful and against many different groups etc... but that has essentially never existed on this server.

As a premade guild on this server you are very much a part of a system reliant on pugs. You rely on them in 12v12 scenarios (the main sc style you will play), you are dependent upon them in ORvR. One good alliance warband can do a lot, but not everything. You need to hold BO's, hold the keep, etc... And I often see these alliance warbands looking for pugs to fill their ranks even in EU prime time.

PUGs by the very nature are casual, and make up the majority playerbase of any online video game. You can't make them listen or learn, no matter how many guides you put up on the forums hardly any will read it, and even less will come to the forums entirely. They don't care as much as you and I, and they don't have to...

Systems that help pugs on this server will help everyone. The only people it wouldn't effect is guilds/players who only play in 6 mans, only que for CW, and don't care about the T4 ORvR campaign... just racking up kills with disregard to zone locks or pushes.

I completely agree with you, which is why the argument of changing guard to be more pug/casual friendly is a terrible idea, it wont change anything at all, im all for helping pugs/casuals but the guard idea is horrible.
Furthemore what you say about premades, we run a melee guild group when we have everyone online, out of like 10 nights only one evening will we see a CW pop, so the options are to either (depending on what guild members need emblems/medallions etc etc) be bored in sc's farming randoms or go rvr where you can kill solo'ers and a few nubs at the tail of a zerg or get ran over by a zerg, its as fun for the premades as it is for the pugs/casuals.