Latest Patch Changes POV

[Charon]

.... the open warbands that will accept anything (regardless of whether or not it is viable against proper opposition)...

Pan, are we playing in the same server?
After all these posts and discussions, Im sure about that, I will read this in tiers chats soon ---- "pug WB looking for dps (non WE)"..."dps need - non WE - for Gunbad" ...."whiper me for wb, non -WE"....etc etc etc

Currently ...If hypothetical pug wb leader has any basic knowledge about what he/she is doing should kick all wh/we from his random warband immediately (sometimes one may stay for scouting). After last changes my eng turret contributes more for warband than st dd wh. Does not need heal or guard dmg is similar or biger and i may always selfdestruct it for aoe kd.

I usually play my grenadier eng solo but now i avoid like hell warbands where i may find whs. It just suggest me that this warband is going to lose every serious fights at it way and joining it is poitless anyway

[Anjanolian]

Why would they break the habit of a lifetime then?

You are totally right oley than I will get in wb...

[Tesq]

if any wb lead had any basic knowledge would not even ever let enter wh/we inside a wb, those classes need precise fix which top floors refuse year after year to throw down; this is hilarious, even post those "now removed" changes there has been wh/we were not even comparable to other dps...

wh totally lack an aoe kd (dragon gun dam sake...so ez to fix that way...), the moral remover tactic to get fix by remove that ugly positional requirement and the relic make somewhat relevant for wb action(pick any use); then aoe skill for base with out use a tactic and that old aoe tactic instead used for give it either a survability boost to put it on par with mara or do more dmg than an aoe mara.

we sich is not even comparable because it does not even have a comparable mirror for aoe spec lol, which elf (aoe) mirror to take the unique or original signature post base skills (WL) totally lack any aoe build so ....XD

wh/mara (humans)
wl/we (elf)
choppa/slayer (mountain pairing )

these are the aoe pairing you need to see balanced after base attacks (when it cames to aoe mastery ) with each other (all the prob originate from not have an original wl aoe build to implement instead copypaste from other classes and then not mirroring or cross mirroring the right stuff in the right places) yet it seems ideas and even more concrete fix to the over obvious problem are lack en mass (aka you can have dev concrete fixing stuff but you need "designer" and good one and programming is not the main quality for a designer so it really dosent matter what someone can program when is not a good designer aka be able to programm teh stuff you design should not be a golden rule XD but seem ppl dont like it).. but is not even worth angry anymore seing as 1100 ppl online prefer 2x event reward instead have a good balanced game for everyone -----> community brain dead renown hungry zombie 2.0

[Greenbeast]

.... the open warbands that will accept anything (regardless of whether or not it is viable against proper opposition)...

Pan, are we playing in the same server?
After all these posts and discussions, Im sure about that, I will read this in tiers chats soon ---- "pug WB looking for dps (non WE)"..."dps need - non WE - for Gunbad" ...."whiper me for wb, non -WE"....etc etc etc

I see you in warbands, I see lots of Wh and We in open pug warbands (Ocara isn't really pug as he actually bothers to give a modicum of effort into making his comps good)...

Because PnP has one WE and it is Anja. So you see her in our warband.
We're not recruiting any we's and we already have problems with we's from alliance.
To make it more understandable - WE is the only class in the game on destro side now that has ZERO utility for a warband. Even shaman and 2h bg bring more for large scale.

You can kill every pug warband with 2-2-2 setup on discord. If the game being balanced around PUG, where classes have no synergy, then I just see no reason to comment anything about balance.

[Onemantankwall]

I'll take all the WEs we'll create a harem! The 2-3 i have in my wbs are put to use oil room/postern gank is where its at. stealth is invaluable in most fights cant win a war without scouts/assassins everyone has a role in the art of war

[peterthepan3]

Pan, are we playing in the same server?
After all these posts and discussions, Im sure about that, I will read this in tiers chats soon ---- "pug WB looking for dps (non WE)"..."dps need - non WE - for Gunbad" ...."whiper me for wb, non -WE"....etc etc etc

I see you in warbands, I see lots of Wh and We in open pug warbands (Ocara isn't really pug as he actually bothers to give a modicum of effort into making his comps good)...

Because PnP has one WE and it is Anja. So you see her in our warband.
We're not recruiting any we's and we already have problems with we's from alliance.
To make it more understandable - WE is the only class in the game on destro side now that has ZERO utility for a warband. Even shaman and 2h bg bring more for large scale.

You can kill every pug warband with 2-2-2 setup on discord. If the game being balanced around PUG, where classes have no synergy, then I just see no reason to comment anything about balance.

I think you've completely misunderstood my original point, which was that WE has no place in a proper warband - but can be seen in random pug wbs which don't give a toss about synergy or comp. I was replying to a poster, who had equated Raga saying exactly this as 'whining'.

I completely agree that WE and WH could do with some WB stuff, and that there are better classes for WB than them.

[Feru]

"lord of appeals" !!! pls do yor job

[bichka]

Pan, are we playing in the same server?
After all these posts and discussions, Im sure about that, I will read this in tiers chats soon ---- "pug WB looking for dps (non WE)"..."dps need - non WE - for Gunbad" ...."whiper me for wb, non -WE"....etc etc etc

I see you in warbands, I see lots of Wh and We in open pug warbands (Ocara isn't really pug as he actually bothers to give a modicum of effort into making his comps good)...

Because PnP has one WE and it is Anja. So you see her in our warband.
We're not recruiting any we's and we already have problems with we's from alliance.
To make it more understandable - WE is the only class in the game on destro side now that has ZERO utility for a warband. Even shaman and 2h bg bring more for large scale.

You can kill every pug warband with 2-2-2 setup on discord. If the game being balanced around PUG, where classes have no synergy, then I just see no reason to comment anything about balance.

i almost don't play rvr, especially warbands, but isn't OYK + M2/M3 is can be considered as "utility" here?

[bichka]

I'll take all the WEs we'll create a harem! The 2-3 i have in my wbs are put to use oil room/postern gank is where its at. stealth is invaluable in most fights cant win a war without scouts/assassins everyone has a role in the art of war

outside WB, right? how fair No rewards, no rp, but hey, you are playing some role in rvr

i had no problems on live, there always was soloers/grps/etc. Especially with old npc carriers mechanic.
Rvr here is mostly about wbs only. You have to be really lucky to find any soloer.