Improving the 2H blackguard playstyle

[War]

I've played them both at level cap, the 2h BG is still inferior to SnB and 2h IB. It's a valid complaint. The t4 offensive SnB build utilizes the anti detaunt better. I've said this already, I know what happens in t4.

If playing a 2h BG would constitute a "waste of time" that tremendously strengthens my argument.

Is it an NA thing that you dont get what other ppl write?
Doing sth to prove you wrong is a waste of time for me so I would want sth from you in return.

Make a "War" argument:

Melee SW seems inferior to range SW, give melee SW more utility!!!!!
My 2h kobs doesnt have dirty tricks!!!!! and not enough tactic slots to maintain utility while doing dmg. *mimimi*

Same kind of arguments, still no sense.

Also you say you ve played sth and it sucks, well, silvermf played mara and it sucked too.

It is rather hard to understand irrational logic. What do you want? A cookie? A medal?

That is not a "War" argument, please do not put words in my mouth, especially that load of incoherent nonsense. Indeed, marauders did used to suck. Fixing balance issues = Good

[Uchoo]

That's quite the attack you're launching on him there, I would be careful with your language and fuse with the warnings going out to players on the forums currently.

There is a lot of sense in the things said honestly, you just aren't seeing it from someone else's point of view. Again, I think you just compare things in a vacuum too much.

I mean you have asked me if it is important for the IB to have a knockdown when we build our group. At this stage I would say run SnB, so you have knockdown and earthshatter, then in T4 you can have it all. Yet you say that the knockdown would shift the paradigm to make BG the strongest destro 2H tank. I don't agree with that because Chosen also have a wounds debuff and they are a staple to any group, you are adding a slightly larger wounds debuff. Chosen also has Crippling Strikes as well as their other tools and high damage.

[War]

The ib ae sucks, the BG ae is amazing. It is even in the right path.

Runed-Etched Axe is in the 2h tree (Vengeance).

[Coryphaus]

IB AoE isnt bad, rune etched axe at 100% grudge deal decent dmg espically when it crits, but more importantly earthshatter provides a lot of utility and hits pretty hard

Furthermore you keep mentioning anti detuant nanji but It was already decided a good way back that if BG were to get a KD one of the best ways to do it was to modify monsterous ruin to make BoR into a kd

giving them access to a KD at the cost of a tactic slot is more than fair, having to choose between crit, HD, KD, anti detuant, hdebuff, shielding anger

[Nanji]

I've played them both at level cap, the 2h BG is still inferior to SnB and 2h IB. It's a valid complaint. The t4 offensive SnB build utilizes the anti detaunt better. I've said this already, I know what happens in t4.

If playing a 2h BG would constitute a "waste of time" that tremendously strengthens my argument.

Is it an NA thing that you dont get what other ppl write?
Doing sth to prove you wrong is a waste of time for me so I would want sth from you in return.

Make a "War" argument:

Melee SW seems inferior to range SW, give melee SW more utility!!!!!
My 2h kobs doesnt have dirty tricks!!!!! and not enough tactic slots to maintain utility while doing dmg. *mimimi*

Same kind of arguments, still no sense.

Also you say you ve played sth and it sucks, well, silvermf played mara and it sucked too.

It is rather hard to understand irrational logic. What do you want? A cookie? A medal?

That is not a "War" argument, please do not put words in my mouth, especially that load of incoherent nonsense. Indeed, marauders did used to suck. Fixing balance issues = Good

Not putting words in your mouth by forming arguments with the same structure as you do.
A certain way to play a certain class lacks sth you would have if you would play it in another way/specc and you cry.
Pretty much silvermf with better english.
What I want from you depends on what is considered a proof that 2H BG doesnt suck.
Btw this mara "fix" you are talking about made them the most overpowered class in WAR.
Want that for your BG I guess......

[Nanji]

The ib ae sucks, the BG ae is amazing. It is even in the right path.

Runed-Etched Axe is in the 2h tree (Vengeance).

REA tooltip dmg sucks it is not spammable and it is the weakest ae ib has.
Try harder.

[Uchoo]

Not putting words in your mouth by forming arguments with the same structure as you do.

Isn't it petty and childish to even attack the way he presents his opinions? He has ideas on things, many of us, MANY of us share the same beliefs.

Personally, I think your argument structure compares X to Y and Z while failing to mention A and F, which is how we have developed this back and forth.

At the end of the day, it's going to be very hard to draw any meaningful conclusion from the wreckage.

[Nanji]

That's quite the attack you're launching on him there, I would be careful with your language and fuse with the warnings going out to players on the forums currently.

There is a lot of sense in the things said honestly, you just aren't seeing it from someone else's point of view. Again, I think you just compare things in a vacuum too much.

I mean you have asked me if it is important for the IB to have a knockdown when we build our group. At this stage I would say run SnB, so you have knockdown and earthshatter, then in T4 you can have it all. Yet you say that the knockdown would shift the paradigm to make BG the strongest destro 2H tank. I don't agree with that because Chosen also have a wounds debuff and they are a staple to any group, you are adding a slightly larger wounds debuff. Chosen also has Crippling Strikes as well as their other tools and high damage.

I wanted to know if you care about ib kd when you build a dest grp.
Pretty much why I dont accept crossrealm 1on1 comparisons.

Regarding the Ch Bg comparison I would say that BG wounds debuff is far superior (not really cleansable + spammable making sure it is applied and stays up). The BGs dmg is way higher.
CS doesnt stack with challenge.
Outgoing hd is so damn strong.....
Also depends on the setup. But overall I think you can see my points. I have to admit that 2H Ch is easier to play though.

[Nanji]

Not putting words in your mouth by forming arguments with the same structure as you do.

Isn't it petty and childish to even attack the way he presents his opinions? He has ideas on things, many of us, MANY of us share the same beliefs.

Personally, I think your argument structure compares X to Y and Z while failing to mention A and F, which is how we have developed this back and forth.

At the end of the day, it's going to be very hard to draw any meaningful conclusion from the wreckage.

Is it so hard to wait for t4 to make balance changes. Some classes dont have their full kit now, they might suck.

[War]

Not putting words in your mouth by forming arguments with the same structure as you do.
A certain way to play a certain class lacks sth you would have if you would play it in another way/specc and you cry.
Pretty much silvermf with better english.
What I want from you depends on what is considered a proof that 2H BG doesnt suck.
Btw this mara "fix" you are talking about made them the most overpowered class in WAR.
Want that for your BG I guess......

Nonsense, complete and utter nonsense.

REA tooltip dmg sucks it is not spammable and it is the weakest ae ib has.
Try harder.

Yeah it is weaker when compared to the behemoth that is Earthshatter. It hits quite hard with points in the tree, GWM and with 100% armor pen, it is nothing to scoff at. "Try harder"? Really? Calm down, kiddo.