Improving the 2H blackguard playstyle

[mursie]

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Do you even 6?

[Coryphaus]

Do you even 6?

>MFW people are still stuck in 6's meta

Do you even 7?

[Azarael]

The 6 shitposting can stop now.

[Greatwarden]

"Need" is too strong a word to be used spuriously like it is being done in this thread.

Would it be nice to have play class that can have some DPS AND a knockdown? Certainly. Is it a "need"? Opinions differ.

Also: so long as all melee classes EXCEPT Doks and WPs have a knockdown and maras have AOE knockdowns, the mechanic can hardly be called 'archtype defining'...

[Coryphaus]

The option to spec it, should exist

[Uchoo]

Archetypes in Warhammer have never been defined by the CC they deliver.

Simply put, people are asking for a knockdown on the 2H BG so that they operate better as a spec choice. It is agreed upon by the majority that the SnB BG is strong and would not be made any stronger by allowing 2H BG's to have a knockdown.

Do they particularly "need" it? Not at all but do you particularly "need" to own a computer or a car? I don't mean to trivialize your point of view, as the faction balance is important, but I think that if you spent time playing a Malice Blackguard with a 2H and a Vengeance IB with a 2H, you would have a more clear opinion on the matter.

To me, it has never made sense that they don't have a 2H knockdown in that spec, as it is so defining for their faction mirror's build, and just so much funner. I have yet to think of a reason why it would be imbalanced compared to what the IB can do and how the factions currently interact.

I personally find the arguments regarding the number of knockdowns and speed increases and snares between the 2 factions to be ambiguous as the parity is pretty close.

[Bozzax]

"Need" is too strong a word to be used spuriously like it is being done in this thread.

Would it be nice to have play class that can have some DPS AND a knockdown? Certainly. Is it a "need"? Opinions differ.

Also: so long as all melee classes EXCEPT Doks and WPs have a knockdown and maras have AOE knockdowns, the mechanic can hardly be called 'archtype defining'...

Yep they "need" or 2h BGs is just a spec for role-players.

The overall strength of BGs wouldn't be affected and SnB would still be stronger because SnB is stronger then 2h.

There is really not much to talk about.

EDIT: I wrote archetype defining because I expect this from tanks in my grp but not from healers or ranged. Most stuff can be found in some form or another on all archetypes even heals.

[Nanji]

It does have to compete with SnB...The BG shouldn't lose the KD because the IB doesn't, mirror vs mirror is obviously the most relevant comparison. The other 2h destro tanks may have their problems, but the discussion here is the BG.

It does not, small example, playing SM in t4 and choosing between 2h and snb will make you consider taking higher dmg ED or KD. The choice is the same as it is with BG. You know what? I would choose ED most of the time.
Mirror vs mirror is not a comparison because mirror ===========================!!!!!!!!!!!!!!mirror
Got it? Classes are not mirrored 1:1 in RoR and were not in WAR.
My grp is playing without KD since t2 start and we are facing "run away" you are not on your BG.
It works most of the time, if it doesnt take CHCH.

An offensive SnB can provide great damage AND utility. Especially in T4 with the Anguish/Malice build. It's unfortunate the 2h playstyle is rather strictly confined to just damage.

Same goes for any tankclass. BO, SM, IB, KOBS,CH they all can do almost equal dmg as their 2h version.
On BG you have crimson death, which makes your dmg way superior to your snb version.

It's foolish because the paltry amount of damage you gain is not worth the tremendous sacrifice. The mirror doesn't have to make such a harsh sacrifice, it doesn't make sense and it doesn't have to be this way.

Your opinion, all the BG around running with 2h think differently.
Keep in mind that there will always be more snb tanks than 2h tanks around in t2/3. Due to the heavy guarddmg.

Of course, it never has been and it probably never will be. The silly story was just to depict how painful the situation is if you are solo as a 2h.

A lot of classes suck solo. Especially mdps. I dont see why a 2h tank, which is in fact closer to a mdps than his archetype suggests, should suck less.
It does though and has the possibility to go snb, unlike a choppa or slayer.

[Nanji]

I notice that you guys in Enigma tend to spend a lot of your time on classes that can succeed easily by themselves when you don't have your whole group on. Why not instead let more classes have a toolkit that isn't so reliant on others?

Usually I am the only one online, playing SM in soloq. Nerf SM?
Oh and I also like to play my engi. Agreed! engi is a god solo and needs to be nerfed.

[Bozzax]

Nanji using CD comes at a high cost of dropping rage which turn makes you very squishy (if you do it often). Also gimps your util and debuffs/buffs

Not really a reason for gimping 2h BGs to be a roleplaying spec