AM/Shammy Healing

[Sigimund]

Nobody has suggested that the Shaman or AM should not be able to play along those pure lines. The proposed mechanic changes do not hurt healbots.

[roadkillrobin]

Nobody has suggested that the Shaman or AM should not be able to play along those pure lines. The proposed mechanic changes do not hurt healbots.

No but it doesn't help it either does it??? And Shammy/AM alleady being lowest tier healers so.
And what said to not fix mechanic to help healing makes me really sad.

[Shadowgurke]

I'd rather have a 100% viable healspec before trying to buff hybrid AM. If we go by the argument that hybrid AM is the way to play since the mechanic suggests that then I'd have a look at RP/Zel and WP/DoK mechanics too. RP/Zel marks/runes are just buffs while every mastery tree suggests some sort of hybrid skillset. Using marks also does instant damages. Same for WP/DoK, Soul Essence is built using melee skills and book/chalice regen, which again suggests a hyrid element.

This is not exclusive to AM and their mechanic is equally flawed as the WP/DoK mechanic

[Nameless]

i agree with Nekkma on this one. Making the class full hybrid at any given time will just make it extreme subpar or extreme overpowered. The original intention that Mythic got was just impossible to implement and even they realized that and stopped trying to balance the class over that

[Azarael]

If we work on a 100% viable heal spec first, then later on people will block the hybrid element because "AM/Shaman are perfectly viable healers now, they don't need anything else, what about Zealot/RP who can only heal?"

Hell, we have suggestions that DPS AM / Shaman are fine. I've both been flamed and seen others flamed for playing DPS AM / Shaman, so that doesn't seem like fine to me.

Mythic didn't even make the most elementary changes required to fix hybrid mechanics - as such, you see one side of every hybrid class die more and more as item / buff stats, not base stats + tooltip, begin to contribute the majority of the power, so I believe their balancers never really cared to deal with the issue correctly.

[roadkillrobin]

If we work on a 100% viable heal spec first, then later on people will block the hybrid element because "AM/Shaman are perfectly viable healers now, they don't need anything else, what about Zealot/RP who can only heal?"

Hell, we have suggestions that DPS AM / Shaman are fine. I've both been flamed and seen others flamed for playing DPS AM / Shaman, so that doesn't seem like fine to me.

Mythic didn't even make the most elementary changes required to fix hybrid mechanics - as such, you see one side of every hybrid class die more and more as item / buff stats, not base stats + tooltip, begin to contribute the majority of the power, so I believe their balancers never really cared to deal with the issue correctly.

I can bring out old video if you want to see that RP/Zealot can do more then just heal.

[Nekkma]

Do anyone know of a hybrid class or specc (healing and dmg) that have actually been balanced for group play in a pvp setting similar to this game? The reason I ask is that my experience is that healing/dmg hybrids are kings of 1v1 and smallscale combat but always underwhelming in a group setting. I guess that is why I am very sceptical to the notion of shaman/AM as full hybrid.

[roadkillrobin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSuTk74 ... r_embedded

Bombing RP from an old WB video. Everything he crits gets healdebuffed, healbot only yeah.

[Feidam]

Daoc had many viable hybrids. However, as a hybrid you are not there to top the dps or the heals/buffs. You are there to assist with both. Hybrids can be very powerful when balanced right. people just expect top tier everything which is not the case. They look at a hybrid and go bleh you don't have the pures damage or healing you suck. They fail to see that the hybrid is designed to fit in with both assisting both the dps and the healer.

[Jaycub]

I can bring out old video if you want to see that RP/Zealot can do more then just heal.

Hope it's a 6v6 vid and not some guy in full warp killing low RR pugs in ORvR :^)