Zealot or runepriest

[Stinksuit]

Also curious who's better in small scale.
I have a 78RP in sov-vic(no ring)-sent-lotd cape and 2 rings, at about 260-270MP.
I use the Blazing Runes tactic for +25% dmg to Rune Of Burning and Rune Of Immolation, so my usual rotation is:
0. Pre-cast the int buff's temp ability for some extra dmg;
1. Rune of Fire (for +25% dmg to RoI)
2. Rune of Immolation +25%dmg
3. Rune of Fate
4. Rune of Fulmination
5. Rune of Fire (for +25% dmg for Rune of Burning)
6. Rune of Burning +25%dmg

Sometimes i insert Rune of Fortune between 4 and 5 if i need some heals.

If everything works - then the total damage is great. However,
1. It takes 6gcds, or 7 if Rune Of Immolation is disrupted, and i have to recast it again, as it is a musthave for Fulmination. It's very rare when i can do a full rotation.
2. If Rune of Fulmination is disrupted - then the whole rotation is wasted, as the damage without the ele debuff is not great.

Do you have any advice for a more "safe" rotation? Should i drop Blazing Runes and double-casting Rune of Fire?

Separately, how does Zealot compare to RP, and what's your typical rotation? My Z is healspecced right now and is 65 only, but i'd love to focus on DPS if it is better than that of RP. Better - not necessarily pure numbers, but overall dynamic, burst, rotation safety.

Thanks.

Someone who plays both zl and rp feel free to correct me if Im wrong but zl should have higher burst especially now with changers echo and burst of chaos.

When it comes to small scale, for duo and maybe even trio it definitely works very well. If you're looking for any semi organised 6man I honestly would just stick to healing. Sadly being the 2nd dps in your 6man team is not really that good but I guess you could try some weird comps with like 1 tank, 2x sorc + dps zeal and 2x healers but that kind of team would likely just get stomped in any sweaty 6v6 xD

*do note that I dont really play dps zl outside solo gameplay or occasional duo so don't take my word for any 6man or wb play

[Fey]

Zealot legitimately looks insane. Sovereign is disgusting, I had to change the back-piece from throwing up in my mouth. They are one of the few classes that get unique cast animations. Themed to the main god of the entire game.

Tzeentch's Talon. Demon Spittle. Wind of Insanity.

Meanwhile RP is a Dwarf.

[Stinksuit]

Zealot legitimately looks insane. Sovereign is disgusting, I had to change the back-piece from throwing up in my mouth. They are one of the few classes that get unique cast animations. Themed to the main god of the entire game.

Tzeentch's Talon. Demon Spittle. Wind of Insanity.

Meanwhile RP is a Dwarf.

Windblock m4 in path of dark rites (right tree) has imo the best effects in the game. Sadly its a m4 so you wont see it often and I'm betting most people haven't even seen it.

But its basically a cast that gives black raven wings on your back or something similar to this.

[BluIzLucky]

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Also curious who's better in small scale.
I have a 78RP in sov-vic(no ring)-sent-lotd cape and 2 rings, at about 260-270MP.
I use the Blazing Runes tactic for +25% dmg to Rune Of Burning and Rune Of Immolation, so my usual rotation is:
0. Pre-cast the int buff's temp ability for some extra dmg;
1. Rune of Fire (for +25% dmg to RoI)
2. Rune of Immolation +25%dmg
3. Rune of Fate
4. Rune of Fulmination
5. Rune of Fire (for +25% dmg for Rune of Burning)
6. Rune of Burning +25%dmg

Sometimes i insert Rune of Fortune between 4 and 5 if i need some heals.

If everything works - then the total damage is great. However,
1. It takes 6gcds, or 7 if Rune Of Immolation is disrupted, and i have to recast it again, as it is a musthave for Fulmination. It's very rare when i can do a full rotation.
2. If Rune of Fulmination is disrupted - then the whole rotation is wasted, as the damage without the ele debuff is not great.

Do you have any advice for a more "safe" rotation? Should i drop Blazing Runes and double-casting Rune of Fire?

Separately, how does Zealot compare to RP, and what's your typical rotation? My Z is healspecced right now and is 65 only, but i'd love to focus on DPS if it is better than that of RP. Better - not necessarily pure numbers, but overall dynamic, burst, rotation safety.

Thanks.

Someone who plays both zl and rp feel free to correct me if Im wrong but zl should have higher burst especially now with changers echo and burst of chaos.

When it comes to small scale, for duo and maybe even trio it definitely works very well. If you're looking for any semi organised 6man I honestly would just stick to healing. Sadly being the 2nd dps in your 6man team is not really that good but I guess you could try some weird comps with like 1 tank, 2x sorc + dps zeal and 2x healers but that kind of team would likely just get stomped in any sweaty 6v6 xD

*do note that I dont really play dps zl outside solo gameplay or occasional duo so don't take my word for any 6man or wb play

As someone with both:
ZL is more aggressive with much higher burst and a higher DPS (CE + M1).

RP has much better kite (3 slows) and disengage (stagger since we don't have to take Fulmination for solo + slow cleanse).
How much does that matter when you mainly face sham, SH, magus and WE starting at 0 range? Eh..

RP can do better in 1vX, but often it's better to just kill faster with ZL.
RP on a clean rotation with Rune of Power+Fulmination can do 8k burst, so in theory (or when you can hide behind others) it's about the same as ZL.


Personally like ZL better, though that's based on their entire class rather than just soloing, ZL just have way more interesting abilities.

[Farrul]

Someone who plays both zl and rp feel free to correct me if Im wrong but zl should have higher burst especially now with changers echo and burst of chaos.

If i may ask, how does any of these two compare to the Archmage and shaman?

I have to admit never fought a Zealot i couldn't kill 1vs1 quite easily, but then again i haven't played much since the healer patch. Just curious.

Also as was mentioned in here, shouldn't RP have better survivability in solo roaming, considering those nice dwarf tactics?

[BluIzLucky]

Someone who plays both zl and rp feel free to correct me if Im wrong but zl should have higher burst especially now with changers echo and burst of chaos.

If i may ask, how does any of these two compare to the Archmage and shaman?

I have to admit never fought a Zealot i couldn't kill 1vs1 quite easily, but then again i haven't played much since the healer patch. Just curious.

Also as was mentioned in here, shouldn't RP have better survivability in solo roaming, considering those nice dwarf tactics?

Play them all as close to glass-cannons for soloing (which obviously isn't great for k/d, but it's fun), for that the gap to AM has closed a fair bit, especially on ZL, but AM still ahead.

For RP, I don't really think you have the tactic slots for defensive, unless you embrace that fully "slow kill regen build".
As I see it 3 core tactics are DF, Blazing Runes, Efficient Carvings, then either Potent Runes or Immolating Grasp.

[Stinksuit]

Someone who plays both zl and rp feel free to correct me if Im wrong but zl should have higher burst especially now with changers echo and burst of chaos.

If i may ask, how does any of these two compare to the Archmage and shaman?

I have to admit never fought a Zealot i couldn't kill 1vs1 quite easily, but then again i haven't played much since the healer patch. Just curious.

Also as was mentioned in here, shouldn't RP have better survivability in solo roaming, considering those nice dwarf tactics?

After the patch I feel like zl can actually fight against dps am.

Personally I'd say that dps zl in its current state is one of the best duelers in the game. (Regen WE is likely the only1 imo who is stronger dueler).

WL can still quite easily one shot zl but its basically a fight between who bursts who 1st. Kinda same for dps am but everything else on order is kinda free kill for dps zl.

[Farrul]

After the patch I feel like zl can actually fight against dps am.

Personally I'd say that dps zl in its current state is one of the best duelers in the game. (Regen WE is likely the only1 imo who is stronger dueler).

WL can still quite easily one shot zl but its basically a fight between who bursts who 1st. Kinda same for dps am but everything else on order is kinda free kill for dps zl.

That's very intersting. Yes from the perspective of a WL i can't remember of losing ( BIS, crit glass build).

What about a WH with WL levels of burst( the few good ones, i know) Or a bis SnB regen IB such as Gilgam with an offensive build? Surprising if you beat those.

[Stinksuit]

After the patch I feel like zl can actually fight against dps am.

Personally I'd say that dps zl in its current state is one of the best duelers in the game. (Regen WE is likely the only1 imo who is stronger dueler).

WL can still quite easily one shot zl but its basically a fight between who bursts who 1st. Kinda same for dps am but everything else on order is kinda free kill for dps zl.

That's very intersting. Yes from the perspective of a WL i can't remember of losing ( BIS, crit glass build).

What about a WH with WL levels of burst( the few good ones, i know) Or a bis SnB regen IB such as Gilgam with an offensive build? Surprising if you beat those.

99% of whs are free kills for zl. Also I'm fairly sure wh cannot even do wl lvl of burst. The thing about Bal is, zealot has so many absorbs so if you know to look for bal the end tick does nothing most of the time, since it just gets absorbed.

Builds like Gilgams snb ib are just stalemate where neither kills anything. Hence I really hate snb builds because its almost always stalemate or the guy who is not playing snb just leaves the fight creating boring gameplay..