destruction increasingly absent from the game

[Sulorie]

When I see 5 dps on a PG that does not die when he is alone and without buff. when I see an arch mage kill a tank full def in a single sequence or WL three rebounds kill 3 players in quick, do not tell me that the class balance is! then yes destru disappears necessarily the destruction of .

Not happening as good vs bad balance is irrelevant.

[Nishka]

How about choppas that crit a tank in full-def with detaunt for 500 damage? (after all mitigations)
Nerf destruction, or order may disappear T_T

Spoiler:

irony

[Tiggo]

yesterday destrus were defending keeps like hell. no absence there ^^

[Sulorie]

Nishka, your tank is special. ;^)

[Faraso]

We waaagh when new tiers come live, we prove that we are da big bosses and then rest until T4 comes out and we bring complete destruction upon the "order" and get dem to live in fear for as long as the game goes!

- Sincerely your WAAAGH!

[Aceboltz]

Oh look an other thread like this and the usual "no you are just bad, l2P" and "but one day in a distant future we will be the sh*t". Same story again and guess what? he must be wrong like the million players that understoood before him and posted before him how rkds, kotbs, am, festering arrow pounce are totally biased, easy mode and are game breaking even if it is solo players using them.

Seriously, how you do not want the player base to not be obliterated when T2 tanks gets oneshot by shadow warriors, when AM is the absolute king of the newbies from t1 to T3 and there is that retarded melee who is here to punish hard any destro not playing perfectly?

The bias is real but there will still be people to defend this disgusting and rage-inducing status quo.

[wender88]

I do agree that order have all the cheesy abilities and some of them can be quite broken and pointless (looking at you Festering Arrow). I had to admit that after 5 years of playing order on live server and now mainly being a destruction player.
But I also think that destruction pugs have the worst players as it is atm. Seeing tanks go down faster than my own choppa, healers ditto. No one uses grp utility. So rare that I get a guard or assist from a tank. They will much rather run in to a grp of bombing BW's in their lolihazfocuzedoffenzemaddeeepz setup and get melted. No one helps anyone, theres no assisting, no defensive CC, no prehotting. Nothing.
This might sound like a rant, but I think I actually have a point about this. There is no realmpride (or whatever you want to call it) left on destruction. Everyone fights for them self and in their own setup. It's so rare I can get a decent fight with pugs and when we manage to win a SC, it's because of the odd premade, but mostly because all of order DC'ed.
I dont believe the game is being won by the most OP realm, I believe it's being lost by bad and/or selfish players.

[Sulorie]

Pounce is already nerfed, FA tactic might get an adjustment in the future, pulls are discussed and apart from that it's basically learn to play.

[RyanMakara]

I do agree that order have all the cheesy abilities and some of them can be quite broken and pointless (looking at you Festering Arrow). I had to admit that after 5 years of playing order on live server and now mainly being a destruction player.
But I also think that destruction pugs have the worst players as it is atm. Seeing tanks go down faster than my own choppa, healers ditto. No one uses grp utility. So rare that I get a guard or assist from a tank. They will much rather run in to a grp of bombing BW's in their lolihazfocuzedoffenzemaddeeepz setup and get melted. No one helps anyone, theres no assisting, no defensive CC, no prehotting. Nothing.
This might sound like a rant, but I think I actually have a point about this. There is no realmpride (or whatever you want to call it) left on destruction. Everyone fights for them self and in their own setup. It's so rare I can get a decent fight with pugs and when we manage to win a SC, it's because of the odd premade, but mostly because all of order DC'ed.
I dont believe the game is being won by the most OP realm, I believe it's being lost by bad and/or selfish players.

I play both sides and I gotta tell you, both Order and Destruction can have horrible pugs. However, these are usually new/inexperienced players who do simply not know the importance of guard, prehotting, focusing squishy targets, let alone advanced tactics such as falling back, pushing at the right moment, flanking ect. in open RvR. People who run off and overextend into warcamps for the sake of a simple kill they think they can get while focused down in less than 2 seconds of being spotted by Order RDPS, are usually the ones who do not even grasp the concept of co-operative gameplay; they assume all their 'realm mates' around are simply there to steal their kills.

The most fun you can have with pugs is when you have a core 6 man group and 18 randoms which you're trying to co-ordinate in warband chat. Force them to blob up, stick together, use the buffs and guards, otherwise it's instakick. Pug players simply need a good leadership example to show them how it's done, and they might learn a thing or two if you bother to explain the game's mechanics to them. To assume every single player in this game knows how to play his class, let alone the RvR/SC aspect of this game in general, is simply wrong, and you're asking to be let down by it.

Also, the tanks that die quicker than melee DPS; did you check if they used sword and shield? Asked them if they specced their renown points into defensive attributes rather than offensive ones? Your build and positioning matters whatever class you play, and most pug players are probably dying due to the sheer ignorance involved in that.

[Aceboltz]

Still waiting for kotbs crit auras nerf. Even kotbs players admit they are totally above any other tank in the game.

At least destro is not getting perma shadow sting like it was on live. A step in the right direction.