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Nishka
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#121 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:58 pm

This thread makes me wanna go and make a bg toon :(

with 2hander of course

and maximum disrupt

to punish bw's in the name of Malekith

EDITED: made a bg toon. Now I remember why I liked this class so much. You guys are complaining about the lack of kd but don't mention the sweet stuff that only bg's have. For example http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Unstoppable_Fury which makes you completely immune to detaunts
Any other dps or dps tank would give his right hand for such thing.
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Penril
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#122 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:51 pm

Uchoo wrote:Guys, this is a thread about Blackguards. If you want to see changes to your classes in positive ways, you should start by backing this, so we have more precedent.

Steps at a time, friends.

Anyways, I want to chime in on the whole tactic idea. So you guys want BG's to use a tactic slot from a spec'd tactic to make a spec'd ability into a knockdown? Doesn't that seem too much? Why not just make Blade of Ruin into the knockdown and in the future if we have a good idea for the tactic, we talk about it then?
Because it might actually be OP otherwise, since BGs will be able to retain all the tactics that have been mentioned (FwF, SK, HD, UF).

Speccing a skill AND a tactic that changes that skill is not something new. Black Orcs already have this with Ya Missed Me and Mor'Hardcore (and they would need more points to get these skills than BGs would need to get BoR + MR).

Landaren
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#123 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:14 pm

No, this game has more then enough CC as it is.

Tanks don't need any more goddamn tools

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Coryphaus
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#124 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:32 pm

Landaren wrote:No, this game has more then enough CC as it is.

Tanks don't need any more goddamn tools
lol, tanks are the ones who are supposed to have most of the cc
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Koradrell
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#125 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:39 pm

Landaren wrote:No, this game has more then enough CC as it is.

Tanks don't need any more goddamn tools
+1

Let's redistribute it, remove them from dps/healers and put it to tanks

Luth
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#126 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:50 pm

The knockdown strength/length of a tanks CC should be calculated from a combined value of his thoughness+armor.
Dis way they would have to decide wether to go full support or full lol-DPS-FO-mode. :mrgreen:

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Gobtar
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#127 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:00 pm

I find it funny that half this thread people have been complaining about mirroring, especially when this conversation started to move in the direction of lets give a BG a unique ability (requiring resource and a proc for a 2handed specable KD), I don't see how adding any more skills takes away from the uniqueness of the game (especially ones that ARE NOT MIRRORS), in fact BGs are a little stagnant because they area almost always SnB, unless you are goofing around/ DGAF.

Give BGs a reason to give up that 5 sec KD order hates seeing so much, give them a reason to be easier to kill. It might just make the game more fun. Complaining about adding more CC is a moot point because if BGs have a specable two-hander KD then the amount of CC on the battlefield is actually less (by 2 seconds).
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mursie
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#128 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:07 pm

I hate to break up the party, but it is my legal responsibility as an officer of the law.

I'm an undercover agent with the 6man Special Forces. Due to our awesomeness (and yes - 6mans are awesome, if you don't think so then you're wrong. I know - because I'm in a 6man. Basically, I'm right on all in-game matters (and out of game for that matter) and if you disagree - well l2p, because you're wrong.

Anyways, I've yet to see any proper credentials on just about everyone in here discussing BG balance and changes. This thread has gone 14 pages now, and it is becoming clear that with each passing page more of you non 6man swine are starting to feel empowered to make class balance changes.

So - I'm locking the thread. Has to be done. If you would like to make actual changes to the BG - please send your verified and authentic 6man credentials to myself and/or Azarael. Based on those credentials... we may read your opinion.

Thank you and have a great day!

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Mez
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#129 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:18 pm

Nishka wrote:This thread makes me wanna go and make a bg toon :(

with 2hander of course

and maximum disrupt

to punish bw's in the name of Malekith

EDITED: made a bg toon. Now I remember why I liked this class so much. You guys are complaining about the lack of kd but don't mention the sweet stuff that only bg's have. For example http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Unstoppable_Fury which makes you completely immune to detaunts
Any other dps or dps tank would give his right hand for such thing.
nerf Forums

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Last edited by Mez on Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:20 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Word of Pain and Boiling Blood are no longer able to proc anything. The Bright Wizard College has confirmed this is a big deal. (stealth nerf)
https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=23145

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Gobtar
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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown

Post#130 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:18 pm

mursie wrote:I hate to break up the party, but it is my legal responsibility as an officer of the law.

I'm an undercover agent with the 6man Special Forces. Due to our awesomeness (and yes - 6mans are awesome, if you don't think so then you're wrong. I know - because I'm in a 6man. Basically, I'm right on all in-game matters (and out of game for that matter) and if you disagree - well l2p, because you're wrong.

Anyways, I've yet to see any proper credentials on just about everyone in here discussing BG balance and changes. This thread has gone 14 pages now, and it is becoming clear that with each passing page more of you non 6man swine are starting to feel empowered to make class balance changes.

So - I'm locking the thread. Has to be done. If you would like to make actual changes to the BG - please send your verified and authentic 6man credentials to myself and/or Azarael. Based on those credentials... we may read your opinion.

Thank you and have a great day!

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