Reset WL Pounce

[Azarael]

I saw no issue with his post. It's six of one, half a dozen of the other between you all.

[Morf]

blablabla

Not constructive, just flame.
I think you need a break.

My constructive opinions generally stay out of the public forums and go elsewhere(not by spamming a dev with pm's like some do ) and sadly for you i dont run away when i have 3 or more nerds trying to put me down and make false statements about me. we could always settle this ingame, u know 1v1. if u aint scared to step out of your circle.

[Nanji]

Still someone didnt get what viable means.

On mythics servers, WLs were rarely taken into grps even though they could pounce back from kb.
Slayer was too strong making WL not a viable choice for the majority.

Got it?

Well, white lion was a better choice in SC if you had a shadow warrior. It's also better in RvR for obvious reasons, if not zerg busting. Or it was a must have if zerg surfing for Fetch.

Hmm, I just gave 3 reasons it wasnt just viable, but preferred.

I played 2 years in a WL + SW +BW setup, I think I know the WL SW combination.
Still a SW can do well with just a BW assisting him, the WL is unnecessary in a ranged comp.
When I talk about taking a WL or not I am talking about a melee setup.

ranged setup (as the third dps making it mixed in the end): WL unnecessary, better than sl but just a risk factor
melee setup: sl is great, WL is a nice addition as a second dps
mix setups: not enough pressure to win against a meleesetup, not enough chase potential to catch a ranged setup, especially with a nerfed pounce


Zerg surfing is not a valid argument sry but I just isnt a situation which we could see as an example of balance.

[Nanji]

blablabla

Not constructive, just flame.
I think you need a break.

My constructive opinions generally stay out of the public forums and go elsewhere(not by spamming a dev with pm's like some do ) and sadly for you i dont run away when i have 3 or more nerds trying to put me down and make false statements about me. we could always settle this ingame, u know 1v1. if u aint scared to step out of your circle.

I saw your "constuctive opinion" in the "pls nurf sw kd 1111!!!" topic.

I rather want you to not run away and embarrass yourself a little bit more by making butthurt comments and waving with your epenis "1on1 me !!!!1111". Funny how a ChCh and a smiley turn a player into bucket of tears.

You can settle this ingame with xelix once his AM is 31.
And what is in it for us? Will you ragedelete your char? Will you stop being butthurt?

[Mez]

Zerg surfing means massive RvR, keep fights. It's basically why you have a warhammer to play. It's a VIABLE situation.

If you played in a WL, SW BW group, you had zero issues and shouldn't complain. Shadow Warrior has the healdebuff, BW had a backup healdebuff. Both had a knockdown. All you had to do was pounce and 1600 armor debuff knocked down targets so your SW could blow them up. You can pounce and outgoing heal-debuff healers, then pounce back to your focus target, making WL a full league above ironbreaker or WH for delivering out going healdebuff.

If you didn't take advantage of the most cheesiest tricks in the game ever with WL+SW, that's on you guys. Armor debuffing for a SW m2 eagle eye spam was an insta kill. EE hit for over 3k every global in this setup. My sorc had 9k health, so you can see..

And finally, if you had ventrilo, teamspeak etc, the cheese fest ultimate warhammer Bullcrap move was calling out a SW knockdown, as you send your pet at someone, and Fetch them while they are knocked down. There was no escaping this and usually resulted in insta death, even with a premade healing your target. It was the best way to kill the forum warrior, forum celebrities and the ultimate troll trick. Did you try this sir? What's the cooldown on knockdown and fetch? 10-15 sec? That's how often you were not Charlie Sheen WInning.

But, you say you played WL on live so I guess you did all this stuff, ammiright?

[Nanji]

Zerg surfing means massive RvR, keep fights. It's basically why you have a warhammer to play. It's a VIABLE situation.

Not if you are talking about balance issues.

If you played in a WL, SW BW group, you had zero issues and shouldn't complain. Shadow Warrior has the healdebuff, BW had a backup healdebuff. Both had a knockdown. All you had to do was pounce and 1600 armor debuff knocked down targets so your SW could blow them up. You can pounce and outgoing heal-debuff healers, then pounce back to your focus target, making WL a full league above ironbreaker or WH for delivering out going healdebuff.

Works vs randoms, I would like to show you how it is not working vs a meleesetup.
There is a huge pressure gap.
A meleegrp will straight forward go for the SW, the lion does not have hd and can not cover SW debuffs against dok.
If the SW is forced to kite, only really good ones will still assist the WL and healdebuff, which is removed immediately by doks. Casting dmg abilities like spiral fletched arrow is impossible when melees are pressuring you.
But dont believe the theory, we are lvling our dest grp and if you bring a 6 man we will show you. (no penis contest, promised)

If you didn't take advantage of the most cheesiest tricks in the game ever with WL+SW, that's on you guys. Armor debuffing for a SW m2 eagle eye spam was an insta kill. EE hit for over 3k every global in this setup. My sorc had 9k health, so you can see..

Eagly eye spamm..... only when the sw is left in peace, which will not happen against even mediocre enemies.

And finally, if you had ventrilo, teamspeak etc, the cheese fest ultimate warhammer Bullcrap move was calling out a SW knockdown, as you send your pet at someone, and Fetch them while they are knocked down. There was no escaping this and usually resulted in insta death, even with a premade healing your target. It was the best way to kill the forum warrior, forum celebrities and the ultimate troll trick. Did you try this sir? What's the cooldown on knockdown and fetch? 10-15 sec? That's how often you were not Charlie Sheen WInning.

But, you say you played WL on live so I guess you did all this stuff, ammiright?

Doing all that but still doing better in a pure range setup, even with shutting up forum warriors.
You dont need to fetch anybody if you have 3 rdps.
Fetching into the zerg is kinda meh. Doesnt show the strenght of a setup/class.

[Morf]

I saw your "constuctive opinion" in the "pls nurf sw kd 1111!!!" topic.

I rather want you to not run away and embarrass yourself a little bit more by making butthurt comments and waving with your epenis "1on1 me !!!!1111". Funny how a ChCh and a smiley turn a player into bucket of tears.

You can settle this ingame with xelix once his AM is 31.
And what is in it for us? Will you ragedelete your char? Will you stop being butthurt?

Eays now, dont get yourself all worked up...

Read what i suggested about sw rkd, unlike asking for it to be removed or mirrored i asked for a positional requirement so it has a counter for ppl who are not oblivious and have good positional sense. You realise the rkd debate has been a thing since forever right ? and alot of suggestions have been 100 times worse then what was suggested and thought of by me and a few others.
Sure i dont back away from a fight, as 1 sided as it may be and in this case i would not stand a chance against a well played dps am prior to having max mastery points available but i will try, sadly u dont have access to a server where rank 40 and max mastery points is a thing where a dps sham would be in a far better state dps wise.

[mursie]

blablabla

Not constructive, just flame.
I think you need a break.

My constructive opinions generally stay out of the public forums and go elsewhere(not by spamming a dev with pm's like some do ) and sadly for you i dont run away when i have 3 or more nerds trying to put me down and make false statements about me. we could always settle this ingame, u know 1v1. if u aint scared to step out of your circle.

I like this guy. He's got some real moxy!

[Mez]

Well you kind of lost me. Apparently you and your crew got train wrecked by melee trains. When I get on my lowbie knight and slot 'slice through' I keep melee trains perma snared and i win with pugs. If you are saying eagle eye spam is not a way of life for your shadow warrior, I just think this conversation is beyond progression. You argue Wl doesn't have healdebuff when you are playing with SW and BW behind you. Good luck.

[Nanji]

Well you kind of lost me. Apparently you and your crew got train wrecked by melee trains. When I get on my lowbie knight and slot 'slice through' I keep melee trains perma snared and i win with pugs. If you are saying eagle eye spam is not a way of life for your shadow warrior, I just think this conversation is beyond progression. You argue Wl doesn't have healdebuff when you are playing with SW and BW behind you. Good luck.

Apparently you lack decent enemies to fight.
I am argueing that WL cant kill anything alone when the enemy is at least mediocre.
The rangedps, with hd, will ofc get the most attention and has to debuff under heavy difficulties.
In the end most of those hds will be cleansed immediately, leaving the grp without pressure. Which will result in a loss most likely.
I am not telling you to blindly believe me, I can show you.
Pretty sure we can arrange sth. NA timezone ?


@morf: expected the chicken out already, cant really blame you since this game isnt balanced 1on1
you will fight sure, but not without mentioning that AM is biased ("in t3")