Will rifters get punished?

[Morf]

Also pls dont mirror pounce, just tweak it so it aint spammable, cant be used while in mid air or on players who are 65ft higher, ie keep walls.
Positioning is and should be very important aspect of pvp but pounce and a few other skills for that matter make it so no matter how good your positioning is you will get found out...

[Coryphaus]

You really do like to exaggerate the Choppa AoE path, don't you? While it's grim in comparison to the damage that Slayers can do with their AoE path without putting themselves in harm's way, I have still gotten many a kill with using GTTC/wild choppin'/wot's da rush in group play. The damage you take by pulling people in can easily be negated with snaring them first, detaunting them, then using your toughness buff, and stay near your guard and healers before chopping back again.

If you gave Choppas the ability to push themselves into even BIGGER groups of Order; having to overextend your healers and guard range before even making the slightest difference with your shitty 14 point AoE path dmg seems worse to me than reeling a few in towards you that do not even wish to be NEAR you. The reason why Pounce goes well with any White Lion spec is because it's a CORE ability. Adding a pounce to a gimped AoE tree will completely break ST Choppas; as they can't burst effectively if they have all their points spent in that horrendous AoE path.

It's all-or-nothing with the Choppa specs. Either full loltard AoE pullbot or viable self-heal/healdebuff/AP restore, or over-time bleed-them-out damage surging. Don't mix and match to fk them up like White Lions please.

Its their choice if they want to up that path and mix and match, at least they will have a reason to go up aoe path their by making all 3 trees viable options, even then your already mixing ant matching if you 2h spec for grp play

You say you got a bunch of kills in grp play with lolaoe spec? thats great you would have been 10x more effective going up savage right now

5 points dosnt make it a "core" abiliy wl choose to spec pounce, a core ability is one that comes as you lvl up, blade of ruin is a 5 pt ability does that make it a core ability? no b/c bgs choose not to get it cause it sucks

Marauder/WL share many of the same abilities, why not pounce? Oh, order bias.

You cant put pounce mirror on WE as that would just be ridiculous to have a stealth class with that much mobility and would compleatly ruin WE/WH balance

You cant put pounce on mara, not even on monstro because its not not like monstro is bad or anything, its just over shadowed by brut/sav and it would be a buff to an already very strong class that needs no buffs

[Bozzax]

I think it would be best if rift and magnet were either removed for time being or range heavily reduced for the time being until los issues with them can be fixed.

+1

Also pls dont mirror pounce, just tweak it so it aint spammable, cant be used while in mid air or on players who are 65ft higher, ie keep walls.
Positioning is and should be very important aspect of pvp but pounce and a few other skills for that matter make it so no matter how good your positioning is you will get found out...

+1

[Nishka]

Pounce in it's unbroken state was good on live but no op by any means. Well, -maybe- it was kinda op in 1 vs 1 against kiters but in rvr pouncing into the midst of battle would probably mean that you overextend, get out of guard range of your tank, draw all possible focus and die.

[Morf]

Im surprised only 2 of you enigma ego boys jumped on me, i was expecting your whole gang to jump down my throat like you do ingame.
Unlike you lot i and others see things for what they are and how they affect many aspects, not just 1 aspect of gameplay. I shouldn't have to explain, if you are old pro's from live you know whats up, unless you were 2nd or 3rd rate players on live ? who now have experienced for the first time how it feels to be top dogs. Congrats tho im glad you have something that makes you happy.

[Azarael]

Since I can in fact cancel WoH safely, Pounce now has a height limit of 40ft.

[Renork]

Since I can in fact cancel WoH safely, Pounce now has a height limit of 40ft.

Will this be introduced in a future patch? or is it effective immediately (well you know what I mean).

[Azarael]

Unless someone restarts RoR before I get a chance to patch it, it will be effective immediately.

[tomato]

Im surprised only 2 of you enigma ego boys jumped on me, i was expecting your whole gang to jump down my throat like you do ingame.
Unlike you lot i and others see things for what they are and how they affect many aspects, not just 1 aspect of gameplay. I shouldn't have to explain, if you are old pro's from live you know whats up, unless you were 2nd or 3rd rate players on live ? who now have experienced for the first time how it feels to be top dogs. Congrats tho im glad you have something that makes you happy.

You should stop beeing so emotionally, that's bad for your health. (Seems like you have a personal vendetta with us)

Funny you say the stuff about looking at many aspects.
Let me tell you something, order has better tools to catch up/prevent kiting because destru has the better kiters.
Those are the many aspects of gameplay, but you just chose to ignore the destru part.

You even demand to nerf wl which is already not as good as its counterpart. (Wl is the only mpds without inc hd, and the only one with pounce, see a pattern here?)

If you have that many problems with positioning, ask shmeep or murkels on how to play shaman.

[Nanji]

Im surprised only 2 of you enigma ego boys jumped on me, i was expecting your whole gang to jump down my throat like you do ingame.
Unlike you lot i and others see things for what they are and how they affect many aspects, not just 1 aspect of gameplay. I shouldn't have to explain, if you are old pro's from live you know whats up, unless you were 2nd or 3rd rate players on live ? who now have experienced for the first time how it feels to be top dogs. Congrats tho im glad you have something that makes you happy.

Don't overestimate your importance, we assist which is why a whole grp collapses on you and any other caster that positions badly.
Besides flame I dont see any point in your answer.
Not a single issue we are not adressing but you want us to adress.
Just trolling.