Will rifters get punished?

[Azarael]

The reality is people will continue to bitch and moan about pulling abilities, just like they did on live. It only stops when those abilities get removed, but that's unrealistic. If you disable or put severe restrictions on rift based on feedback, yet ignore pounce based on the argument of "No one has convinced me", then once again that's just bias on your end. No one should have to convince you to fix/patch something that doesn't work live like.

Rifting through walls/doors is not live like, absolutely. Pouncing up keeps at any angle is also not working live like. For the record, I have no problem with pounce. But, your whole "convince" me post irked me. Especially with all the pounce threads that have been posted here.

The fact that pounce is unilateral is the problem. If pounce were bilateral, we'd have advocates and detractors on both sides of the equation and reach a more balanced conclusion. But since it's unilateral, we have one side that's mostly against and one side with a mixed opinion.

[Ade]

The reality is people will continue to bitch and moan about pulling abilities, just like they did on live. It only stops when those abilities get removed, but that's unrealistic. If you disable or put severe restrictions on rift based on feedback, yet ignore pounce based on the argument of "No one has convinced me", then once again that's just bias on your end. No one should have to convince you to fix/patch something that doesn't work live like.

Rifting through walls/doors is not live like, absolutely. Pouncing up keeps at any angle is also not working live like. For the record, I have no problem with pounce. But, your whole "convince" me post irked me. Especially with all the pounce threads that have been posted here.

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[Nanji]

"bypass defenses" not working for you mate?

It would work better, or let you be more effective if defenders didnt have champ mobs to hide behind

Euan talked about WL in a grp, so get 2 destru mdps in on the backdoor and champs drop in 2-3s.
Those 2 mdps dont even have to spend ap or spec into a path for getting into the keep.
Anyway the lordroom is a safezone for everyone until the door is open. Dont see the issue here.

[tomato]

That's because choppa doesn't really need buffs.

The choppas AoE tree is garbage and the class is inferior to slayer

WL is inferior to marauder, you're right we should buff him.
Imagine the destru outcry.

I wouldn't buff any of them.
Btw st burst from choppa>single target burst from slayer.

[Coryphaus]

The fact that pounce is unilateral is the problem. If pounce were bilateral, we'd have advocates and detractors on both sides of the equation and reach a more balanced conclusion. But since it's unilateral, we have one side that's mostly against and one side with a mixed opinion.

Yes

While pouncing onto walls could be considered gimmicky and dealing with it coul be considred a "l2p" issue the fact of the matter is that its a destro only issue and order does not hve to deal with something of similar nature

[Renork]

Some people here mistake the so called "qq" for complaining about rift in general.
While I just see people complaining about rift through solid objects. Which is understandable.

This was discussed prior to the t3 patch and was agreed upon being fixed before t3.
It is not working as it should right now and this is what people talk about, not rifting in open field.

No one here is arguing that rift should pull people through walls or doors because it shouldn't. But, if you're going to disable it on keeps you negate that line completely during keep defense/attacks. The point was if you're going to disable it, then adjust the class accordingly.

[Euan]

Marauder needs buffs?

It's not really about buffs, more about giving ability to its mirror. I don't know I wouldn't like to see it on anything other than Marauder. I play all MDPS on Destro, its not a Marauder bias thing but they are somewhat mirrors. I don't see it on Choppa, maybe on the Witch Elf.

[tomato]

Yes

While pouncing onto walls could be considered gimmicky and dealing with it coul be considred a "l2p" issue the fact of the matter is that its a destro only issue and order does not hve to deal with something of similar nature

Because the game isn't and shouldn't be mirrored. Order has other issues to deal with.

[RyanMakara]

That's because choppa doesn't really need buffs.

The choppas AoE tree is garbage and the class is inferior to slayer

At the same time the Slayer 2Hander path is pretty obsolete, so I'd say the balance between Choppa/Slayer isn't all too bad. Choppa's viable as-is and with the cleanse nerf done to ID it's not as painful as I had expected in T3 (cept when you see Ory do it during magnet/rift pulls, hah) - only issue that persists the the limiting counter-buffing done by Chop Fasta, as it only counts for 6 people in your group as to where Shatter Limbs counts for ALL people hit by the Slayer.

That, and 100 AP restore doesn't give as much burst as 10seconds of ignoring parry and block does (balance between Keep on Choppin' and Rampage). Yet, overal Choppas still have better single target burst than any 2hand/DW Slayer.

[Nanji]

If people are going to shitpost with "l2p" in topics concerning major bs like this, I will block rift and EM outright around keeps.

@renorc
Aza called it.
Still someone wrote "l2p" therefore this person wanted rift/EM being disabled around keeps.
Easy to see.