Will rifters get punished?

[tomato]

Let me put it like this, pulling though doors makes meele dps almost completly useless at keep takes.
Rdps were always better in zerg vs zerg, while mdps shine in small scale (6vs6 or 12vs12), but the pulling stuff makes you afk as mdps at keep takes, because there's nothing to do.

Btw., single target magus/engi are a lot more rewarding fun to play than beeing a rift bot.
And both of them can be played really effective with st in rvr. (That would be a l2p issue.)
So stop acting like disabling rift would make them unable to impact keep fights.

[Ade]

Rift is a staple of the magus, and I find it hilarious how its getting this much attention when there are other skills that are also not really working how they were designed to. Go ahead and change it around keeps and all but leave it they way it is for the most part, it actually lets people play the class and we get a bit of diversity for a bit instead of the same old BW/tank/healer 6 man bullcrap that is obviously so fun to play against right?

And if rift is going to be changed, then how about changing pounce? I'm all for pounce getting you to your target, that itself is a good fix, but leaping up to keep walls? when a WL has an entire hospital below healing him it can be just as annoying as a rift, esp when multiple ones jump up, so if we are on the subject of rift effecting keeps etc, doesn't pounce also fall under this? All these lions jumping into keeps and nobody bats an eye... a magus pulls someone through a door and everyone looses their mind.

[Azarael]

If you seriously think one or two WLs pouncing onto a keep wall staffed by tens of players is comparable to a 75ft AoE pull which can drag up to 6 people through objects (therefore out of LOS) and into a field of the enemy faction, then I really don't know what to say.

[Ade]

I think you missed my point, I'm not saying its equal level, I'm saying its an annoying feature, and order don't have to deal with that, and it hasn't been changed. Like I said disable rifts at keeps that's fine, pulling 6 people into a door is stupid yes, but pounce is a skill that at keeps also works in a different way, and it shouldn't, so if you change one, why not also change the other?

[Azarael]

The reason Pounce was never changed was because nobody successfully convinced me it was a problem, and blocking Pounce will actually cause it to perform ugly resetting because the client displays that the skill is usable if the target is within 80ft, regardless of their height, so I preferred not to change it unless it became a real problem. Rift and EM on the other hand are in a completely different league.

The other problem I have with resetting Pounce is that if I do, it means I have to reset Wings of Heaven as well. WoH is a morale ability and if I remember correctly, morale abilities can't be reset (the cooldown stays on, even if the ability fails and attempts to reset on the server side.) This would end up making WoH unreliable.

[Bretin]

Rift is a staple of the magus, and I find it hilarious how its getting this much attention when there are other skills that are also not really working how they were designed to. Go ahead and change it around keeps and all but leave it they way it is for the most part, it actually lets people play the class and we get a bit of diversity for a bit instead of the same old BW/tank/healer 6 man bullcrap that is obviously so fun to play against right?

And if rift is going to be changed, then how about changing pounce? I'm all for pounce getting you to your target, that itself is a good fix, but leaping up to keep walls? when a WL has an entire hospital below healing him it can be just as annoying as a rift, esp when multiple ones jump up, so if we are on the subject of rift effecting keeps etc, doesn't pounce also fall under this? All these lions jumping into keeps and nobody bats an eye... a magus pulls someone through a door and everyone looses their mind.

if a WL jumps up on a keep wall his victim can easily detaunt and walk away into the lord room. also 2 healers won't heal you against healdebuff + multiple people shooting on you. there is a lot of counterplay and things ppl can do to avoid gettin killed while there is literally no counterplay to rift inside a keep.

pounce = high risk for the WL
rift = no risk for the magus

[Coryphaus]

Choppa pull never granted immunity

It didn't?

It did.

Proof?

iirc it didnt

[Euan]

You're seriously underrating pounce. WL's put a lot of pressure on Destro walls, that which Destro cannot mirror.

[Coryphaus]

The other problem I have with resetting Pounce is that if I do, it means I have to reset Wings of Heaven as well. WoH is a morale ability and if I remember correctly, morale abilities can't be reset (the cooldown stays on, even if the ability fails and attempts to reset on the server side.) This would end up making WoH unreliable.

The thing is WL's wernt able to do this on live

As for WoH, im fine if that can do that since its an morale

[Renork]

His post was removed because it was shitposting. I also removed the posts of a number of people who replied to it, pointing this out.

Actually it was far from shitposting, in fact I created a thread that specifically stated this would happen did I not? Now, correct me If i'm wrong, but there was a gm that posted about how rift was already discussed internally and taken into account prior to its release. Now you have people asking for restrictions or for the skills to be disabled, you yourself also trolled on that thread with Penril.

And furthermore you have plenty of people here who defend their skills by simply saying "l2p/user error" and I don't see you removing their "shitposts". You yourself know pounce isn't working like it was on live, but wl's were a crappy t4 class so it was a nice change to see them being more useful here.

Those same "skilled players" are now whining about rift and stating how "powerful" the class is without it. Heck tomato just posted about how it's a "l2p" issue. I already suggested making the pet be insta cast/remove the ap cost, raise the damage gained while having the pet out or shift IFoC and BoC down so that you have access to both....and disable rift.

Heck dissolving mist's is bugged as hell (doesn't work with the increased range tactic, and goes on cd if you fire it on a spot that's considered "too far")