Poll: BOs and SMs

[Coryphaus]

I love the defensive pounce idea but apparently some people were against it (i think even some of the other devs besides Aza; correct me if i'm wrong). So i was just throwing out other possibilities for the devs to see and for the community to discuss.

A dev ( krazak or something was the name ) was in destro /ad this morning saying that they oppose changes simply because they havent yet seen how the t4 meta game will play out

which is why i think we need to rush t4 as quickly as possible make 1 zone peir tier if need be

[Azarael]

Krazgrak's my Choppa.

[Genisaurus]

I voted for "Other:"

I think that in general, any of the above abilities would be fine. However, I don't think any one change is going to be enough. Moreover, I harbor a concern that making changes incrementally will impair the ability to judge balance over the long term. I personally (and unofficially) am of the opinion that BO's and SM's need several things changed, and those changes should happen all at once, so that we as players can get a good idea of what we are really judging when we discuss their balance.

What those changes are can be discussed, but that should be a long discussion with a wide consensus before implementing. I imagine something like a budget, where people put forward proposals for larger changes, and we vote on individual proposals in a formal manner.

[dkabib]

I hate stagger =(
9 secs of that was such a pain and straight out broken.
3 secs is OKish, can deal with that. But please don't make it 6 seconds.

[dkabib]

I see their main group mechanics with the AoE KB and the Stats Steal.
Some kind of skill to reduce the group chance of getting crit would be neat, i'm ok with that, just not sure if it would be enough...

[Penril]

I voted for "Other:"

I think that in general, any of the above abilities would be fine. However, I don't think any one change is going to be enough. Moreover, I harbor a concern that making changes incrementally will impair the ability to judge balance over the long term. I personally (and unofficially) am of the opinion that BO's and SM's need several things changed, and those changes should happen all at once, so that we as players can get a good idea of what we are really judging when we discuss their balance.

What those changes are can be discussed, but that should be a long discussion with a wide consensus before implementing. I imagine something like a budget, where people put forward proposals for larger changes, and we vote on individual proposals in a formal manner.

Well this is new to me.

I always thought classes would pretty much stay as close to 1.4.8 as possible, with maybe one or two tweaks to certain "useless" skills/tactics. Reading that one of our Devs (besides Aza) agrees BOs/SMs need several things changed is really nice.

If that is the approach you guys are taking, then i agree that nothing should be changed for now.

[tomato]

3 secs would be too short, 6 secs is fine and would provide the necessary buff to sm/bo.
I don't even think you need several other changes, or you might push them over the top.
For people who know what they're doing this would be a great buff.

Edit: The crit chance reduction for the group is just a boring buff, which doesn't enhance the gameplay in anyway.

[dkabib]

Recent changes works well with what we have now, that is T2, and soon T3 I guess?
It seems to be in a good shape, and then we can discuss in the future, how we deal with their end-game capabilities.

[dkabib]

3 secs would be too short, 6 secs is fine and would provide the necessary buff to sm/bo.
I don't even think you need several other changes, or you might push them over the top.
For people who know what they're doing this would be a great buff.

What about 6 seconds but single target?

[Penril]

Give them 6 secs aoe stagger and they instantly gain a lot of group play value.
Not even joking, 9 secs stagger from chosen and knight was too long, but bo/sm could use that without beeing overpowered then.

And the best thing would be that it would require some skill and thoughts put into to use it correctly.
Not just a mindless aura like buff abillity or aoe spammable debuff.

Edit: It would also give some purpose to engi/magus stagger removal, so you're helping 4 classes at once.