WP/DoK are reduce to be heal bots at this point. Melee works if you're super fostered with guards and heal in a low man settings. Sure my DoK hurts but I can also get one clip by and Engi, can't do anything against SW, AM. Maybe RP if I get a Celerity that allows me to get close enough.
Shield has been destroy beyond redemption. It was a cool build and some people try to convince themselves it's worth playing and trying to make it "work". But let's stop kidding ourselves.
We need AoE DMG to be accessilbe, which is not at this time. We're suppose to parry when it's all initiative now? Makes no sense.
Chalice/Book are in excellent spots but DPS is not. Shield is dead on both WP and DoK. If classes like Magus get op out of thin hair, those two classes need to be reduced to nothing but heal bots.
This game needs to stop being balanced around Warbands, it's honestly horrible to make developers decisions like that. It's just alienating the game and that's a big turn off.
Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear
I really started to like the Shield-WP spec, it's much more fun and engaging than Tome-WP wich is just the most boring gameplay possible. Besides playing and ultra def tank maybe. I absolutely disagree with the statement, that it's unplayable, but it needs some tweaking in the right direction.
1.
It's quite hard to keep your group alive in this omnipresent aoe spam nowadays. So either Pious Restoration get's the same treatment as Healing Hand an scales with strenght, or the cooler solution imho would be, to get Benediction off of gcd so you can fluently incorporate it into your rotation. As kind of a mirror to Shrug it off/Magical Infusion.
2.
I agree with Kpi on this point, the heal of Divine Assault, Sigmars Radiance and Divine Strike are a bit too low and should be tuned up a little.
3.
I also think Grace of Sigmar should not be a tactic you have to slot to make this class work. It should come baseline as soon as you equip a shield. Imagine you had to slot a tactic on AM/Shaman, so your HoTs actually heal for a viable amount.
This would open up a slot for other tactics, giving you the oppotunity to change your playstyle.
1.
It's quite hard to keep your group alive in this omnipresent aoe spam nowadays. So either Pious Restoration get's the same treatment as Healing Hand an scales with strenght, or the cooler solution imho would be, to get Benediction off of gcd so you can fluently incorporate it into your rotation. As kind of a mirror to Shrug it off/Magical Infusion.
2.
I agree with Kpi on this point, the heal of Divine Assault, Sigmars Radiance and Divine Strike are a bit too low and should be tuned up a little.
3.
I also think Grace of Sigmar should not be a tactic you have to slot to make this class work. It should come baseline as soon as you equip a shield. Imagine you had to slot a tactic on AM/Shaman, so your HoTs actually heal for a viable amount.
This would open up a slot for other tactics, giving you the oppotunity to change your playstyle.

Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear
Weekly Shield WP
Sample
Sample note
The sample is again scenario-skewed, this time mostly toward Twisting Tower and Reikland Factory.
Comparison rules
Global result
All tables below use only the final comparable sample.
By player
By day
By RR bracket
By scenario size
Small brackets should be read carefully.
By number of Order healers
No 6+ Order-healer bracket remains in the final comparable sample.
Short reading
After requiring at least 3 comparable SCs per player, the final sample is:
The global result is:
Sample
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Period: 04/09 to 07/09
Global dataset:
Scenarios downloaded: 2,908
Scoreboard entries: 61,400
Sigmar's Will detections: 894
Scenarios with Shield WP: 374
Level 40 period-detected Shield WP:
Entries: 209
Players: 16
Strict same-scenario Sigmar's Will entries:
Entries: 81
Players: 13
omparable entries vs Order healers before min-sample filter:
Entries: 71
Players: 12
Scenarios: 71
Minimum sample filter:
* Minimum 3 comparable SCs per player
* Removed: 4 entries
* Removed players: 4
Final comparable sample:
Entries: 67
Players: 8
Scenarios: 67
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Final sample by scenario:
Twisting Tower: 22
Reikland Factory: 13
Maw of Madness: 9
Mourkain Temple: 8
Tor Anroc: 4
The Old Dwarf Road: 4
Black Crag Keep: 3
Dragon's Bane: 3
College of Corruption: 1
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Order healer comparison:
* Only Order healers
* WP, AM, RP
* Shield WP entries excluded from the Order healer average
* Entries with no other Order healer are excluded from relative healer comparisons
DPS comparison:
* Level 40 active DPS in the same scenarios
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Heal% = Shield WP Heal/min vs other Order healers
HealO% = Shield WP Heal others/min vs other Order healers
ProtO% = Shield WP protection to others vs other Order healers
ProtRecv% = Shield WP protection received vs other Order healers
Deaths% = Shield WP deaths vs other Order healers
Dmg% = Shield WP damage vs average active DPS
KillDmg% = Shield WP kill damage vs average active DPS kill damage
All tables below use only the final comparable sample.
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SC WP RR Win% Heal/min Heal% HealO/min HealO%
67 8 81.5 59.7% 14.42k 100.3% 10.83k 88.7%
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Dmg Dmg% KillDmg KillDmg% Kill% Dmg/Heal
25.14k 39.4% 8.27k 36.4% 32.9% 26.9%
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ProtO/min ProtO% ProtRecv/min ProtRecv% Deaths Deaths% Res SelfProt
1.70k 77.7% 2.62k 125.6% 1.2 106.4% 0.6 62.3%
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Player SC RR Win% Heal/min Heal% HealO/min HealO%
Mxxxxxxxx 14 84.0 50.0% 17.13k 121.0% 13.60k 109.2%
Pxxxxxxxxxxx 14 78.0 35.7% 17.13k 110.7% 13.00k 100.3%
Kxxxxx 12 85.0 66.7% 15.52k 98.1% 10.81k 79.4%
Cxxxxxx 8 76.6 75.0% 12.82k 74.1% 10.04k 65.3%
Rxxxxx 7 90.0 100.0% 15.09k 104.9% 11.22k 96.2%
Axxxxxxxxx 6 81.0 50.0% 6.64k 115.4% 4.60k 99.8%
Vxxxxx 3 80.0 66.7% 11.84k 80.4% 8.50k 73.7%
Gxxxxx 3 67.0 66.7% 5.58k 41.6% 3.82k 36.1%
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Player Dmg Dmg% KillDmg KillDmg% ProtO% ProtRecv%
Mxxxxxxxx 31.35k 51.7% 9.70k 55.5% 219.8% 232.9%
Pxxxxxxxxxxx 25.40k 33.1% 7.56k 29.4% 29.4% 84.2%
Kxxxxx 21.15k 34.8% 7.11k 31.0% 45.3% 138.4%
Cxxxxxx 19.98k 30.7% 6.26k 25.3% 72.8% 208.6%
Rxxxxx 21.19k 44.8% 10.40k 47.6% 86.5% 73.3%
Axxxxxxxxx 17.63k 43.1% 8.66k 37.1% 67.7% 240.1%
Vxxxxx 46.19k 66.6% 13.20k 49.9% 191.4% 101.3%
Gxxxxx 27.95k 26.0% 4.26k 17.7% 20.8% 13.7%
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Player Deaths Deaths% Res
Mxxxxxxxx 0.9 92.3% 0.1
Pxxxxxxxxxxx 1.1 66.9% 1.1
Kxxxxx 1.2 107.7% 0.2
Cxxxxxx 1.6 146.1% 0.9
Rxxxxx 1.3 122.4% 0.7
Axxxxxxxxx 1.2 280.0% 0.2
Vxxxxx 2.0 97.3% 0.7
Gxxxxx 2.3 150.0% 0.7
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Day SC WP RR Win% Heal/min Heal% HealO%
04/09 30 7 80.5 53.3% 13.85k 108.1% 95.7%
05/09 13 4 80.7 61.5% 12.74k 98.9% 89.9%
06/09 13 5 83.7 53.8% 16.41k 112.7% 103.8%
07/09 11 3 82.3 81.8% 15.61k 77.4% 64.0%
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Day Dmg% KillDmg% ProtO% ProtRecv% Deaths Deaths%
04/09 44.9% 36.2% 73.5% 173.0% 1.4 97.9%
05/09 32.6% 37.4% 36.5% 61.6% 1.3 148.7%
06/09 45.2% 44.5% 130.4% 125.1% 0.8 77.2%
07/09 27.8% 26.7% 80.5% 210.5% 1.2 138.3%
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RR SC WP Win% Heal/min Heal% HealO%
60-69 3 1 66.7% 5.58k 41.6% 36.1%
70-79 22 2 50.0% 15.57k 96.4% 86.1%
80-89 35 4 57.1% 14.33k 107.4% 93.3%
90+ 7 1 100.0% 15.09k 104.9% 96.2%
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RR Dmg% KillDmg% ProtO% ProtRecv% Deaths Deaths%
60-69 26.0% 17.7% 20.8% 13.7% 2.3 150.0%
70-79 32.3% 27.9% 46.0% 111.5% 1.3 89.4%
80-89 46.1% 42.3% 107.8% 175.1% 1.1 112.5%
90+ 44.8% 47.6% 86.5% 73.3% 1.3 122.4%
Small brackets should be read carefully.
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Players SC WP Heal/min Heal% HealO%
12-17 7 5 15.15k 218.2% 207.7%
18-23 25 8 12.48k 79.9% 68.6%
24 17 4 18.12k 97.8% 82.6%
25-35 17 6 13.45k 117.7% 113.3%
36+ 1 1 11.71k 80.7% 51.5%
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Players Dmg% KillDmg% ProtO% ProtRecv% Deaths%
12-17 39.8% 44.5% 73.1% 80.1% 94.7%
18-23 35.9% 31.3% 68.2% 110.4% 103.0%
24 32.3% 25.6% 70.6% 148.6% 117.6%
25-35 54.4% 50.9% 118.6% 135.6% 84.8%
36+ 29.3% 28.0% 72.1% 178.1% 500.0%
No 6+ Order-healer bracket remains in the final comparable sample.
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Order healers SC WP Heal/min Heal% HealO%
<=3 56 8 14.15k 96.4% 85.0%
4-5 11 5 15.79k 123.5% 110.9%
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Order healers Dmg% KillDmg% ProtO% ProtRecv% Deaths%
<=3 37.8% 35.3% 68.2% 118.7% 106.2%
4-5 46.2% 42.4% 129.5% 156.5% 107.7%
After requiring at least 3 comparable SCs per player, the final sample is:
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Comparable Shield WP entries: 67
Players: 8
Scenarios: 67
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Winrate: 59.7%
Heal/min vs other Order healers: 100.3%
Heal others/min vs Order healers: 88.7%
Damage vs average active DPS: 39.4%
Kill damage vs active DPS: 36.4%
Protection to others vs healers: 77.7%
Protection received vs healers: 125.6%
Deaths vs healers: 106.4%
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