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Pulptenks
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#91 » Tue Sep 08, 2026 8:52 am

WP/DoK are reduce to be heal bots at this point. Melee works if you're super fostered with guards and heal in a low man settings. Sure my DoK hurts but I can also get one clip by and Engi, can't do anything against SW, AM. Maybe RP if I get a Celerity that allows me to get close enough.

Shield has been destroy beyond redemption. It was a cool build and some people try to convince themselves it's worth playing and trying to make it "work". But let's stop kidding ourselves.

We need AoE DMG to be accessilbe, which is not at this time. We're suppose to parry when it's all initiative now? Makes no sense.

Chalice/Book are in excellent spots but DPS is not. Shield is dead on both WP and DoK. If classes like Magus get op out of thin hair, those two classes need to be reduced to nothing but heal bots.

This game needs to stop being balanced around Warbands, it's honestly horrible to make developers decisions like that. It's just alienating the game and that's a big turn off.

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Panzerkasper
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#92 » Tue Sep 08, 2026 12:14 pm

I really started to like the Shield-WP spec, it's much more fun and engaging than Tome-WP wich is just the most boring gameplay possible. Besides playing and ultra def tank maybe. I absolutely disagree with the statement, that it's unplayable, but it needs some tweaking in the right direction.

1.
It's quite hard to keep your group alive in this omnipresent aoe spam nowadays. So either Pious Restoration get's the same treatment as Healing Hand an scales with strenght, or the cooler solution imho would be, to get Benediction off of gcd so you can fluently incorporate it into your rotation. As kind of a mirror to Shrug it off/Magical Infusion.

2.
I agree with Kpi on this point, the heal of Divine Assault, Sigmars Radiance and Divine Strike are a bit too low and should be tuned up a little.

3.
I also think Grace of Sigmar should not be a tactic you have to slot to make this class work. It should come baseline as soon as you equip a shield. Imagine you had to slot a tactic on AM/Shaman, so your HoTs actually heal for a viable amount.
This would open up a slot for other tactics, giving you the oppotunity to change your playstyle.
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kpihuss
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Re: Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

Post#93 » Tue Sep 08, 2026 6:05 pm

Weekly Shield WP

Sample

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Period: 04/09 to 07/09

Global dataset:
Scenarios downloaded:        2,908
Scoreboard entries:         61,400
Sigmar's Will detections:      894
Scenarios with Shield WP:       374

Level 40 period-detected Shield WP:
Entries: 209
Players: 16

Strict same-scenario Sigmar's Will entries:
Entries: 81
Players: 13

omparable entries vs Order healers before min-sample filter:
Entries:   71
Players:   12
Scenarios: 71

Minimum sample filter:

* Minimum 3 comparable SCs per player
* Removed: 4 entries
* Removed players: 4

Final comparable sample:
Entries:   67
Players:    8
Scenarios: 67
Sample note

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Final sample by scenario:
Twisting Tower:           22
Reikland Factory:         13
Maw of Madness:            9
Mourkain Temple:           8
Tor Anroc:                 4
The Old Dwarf Road:        4
Black Crag Keep:           3
Dragon's Bane:             3
College of Corruption:     1
The sample is again scenario-skewed, this time mostly toward Twisting Tower and Reikland Factory.

Comparison rules

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Order healer comparison:

* Only Order healers
* WP, AM, RP
* Shield WP entries excluded from the Order healer average
* Entries with no other Order healer are excluded from relative healer comparisons

DPS comparison:

* Level 40 active DPS in the same scenarios
  

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Heal%     = Shield WP Heal/min vs other Order healers
HealO%    = Shield WP Heal others/min vs other Order healers
ProtO%    = Shield WP protection to others vs other Order healers
ProtRecv% = Shield WP protection received vs other Order healers
Deaths%   = Shield WP deaths vs other Order healers
Dmg%      = Shield WP damage vs average active DPS
KillDmg%  = Shield WP kill damage vs average active DPS kill damage
Global result

All tables below use only the final comparable sample.

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SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
67   8  81.5  59.7%  14.42k    100.3%  10.83k     88.7%

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Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  Kill%  Dmg/Heal
25.14k  39.4%  8.27k    36.4%     32.9%  26.9%

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ProtO/min  ProtO%  ProtRecv/min  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%  Res  SelfProt
1.70k      77.7%   2.62k         125.6%     1.2     106.4%   0.6  62.3%
By player

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Player        SC  RR    Win%    Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
Mxxxxxxxx     14  84.0   50.0%  17.13k    121.0%  13.60k     109.2%
Pxxxxxxxxxxx  14  78.0   35.7%  17.13k    110.7%  13.00k     100.3%
Kxxxxx        12  85.0   66.7%  15.52k     98.1%  10.81k      79.4%
Cxxxxxx        8  76.6   75.0%  12.82k     74.1%  10.04k      65.3%
Rxxxxx         7  90.0  100.0%  15.09k    104.9%  11.22k      96.2%
Axxxxxxxxx     6  81.0   50.0%   6.64k    115.4%   4.60k      99.8%
Vxxxxx         3  80.0   66.7%  11.84k     80.4%   8.50k      73.7%
Gxxxxx         3  67.0   66.7%   5.58k     41.6%   3.82k      36.1%

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Player        Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%
Mxxxxxxxx     31.35k  51.7%   9.70k    55.5%    219.8%   232.9%
Pxxxxxxxxxxx  25.40k  33.1%   7.56k    29.4%     29.4%    84.2%
Kxxxxx        21.15k  34.8%   7.11k    31.0%     45.3%   138.4%
Cxxxxxx       19.98k  30.7%   6.26k    25.3%     72.8%   208.6%
Rxxxxx        21.19k  44.8%  10.40k    47.6%     86.5%    73.3%
Axxxxxxxxx    17.63k  43.1%   8.66k    37.1%     67.7%   240.1%
Vxxxxx        46.19k  66.6%  13.20k    49.9%    191.4%   101.3%
Gxxxxx        27.95k  26.0%   4.26k    17.7%     20.8%    13.7%

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Player        Deaths  Deaths%  Res
Mxxxxxxxx      0.9     92.3%   0.1
Pxxxxxxxxxxx   1.1     66.9%   1.1
Kxxxxx         1.2    107.7%   0.2
Cxxxxxx        1.6    146.1%   0.9
Rxxxxx         1.3    122.4%   0.7
Axxxxxxxxx     1.2    280.0%   0.2
Vxxxxx         2.0     97.3%   0.7
Gxxxxx         2.3    150.0%   0.7
By day

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Day    SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
04/09  30   7  80.5  53.3%  13.85k    108.1%   95.7%
05/09  13   4  80.7  61.5%  12.74k     98.9%   89.9%
06/09  13   5  83.7  53.8%  16.41k    112.7%  103.8%
07/09  11   3  82.3  81.8%  15.61k     77.4%   64.0%

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Day    Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
04/09  44.9%   36.2%    73.5%   173.0%     1.4      97.9%
05/09  32.6%   37.4%    36.5%    61.6%     1.3     148.7%
06/09  45.2%   44.5%   130.4%   125.1%     0.8      77.2%
07/09  27.8%   26.7%    80.5%   210.5%     1.2     138.3%
By RR bracket

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RR     SC  WP  Win%    Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
60-69   3   1   66.7%   5.58k     41.6%   36.1%
70-79  22   2   50.0%  15.57k     96.4%   86.1%
80-89  35   4   57.1%  14.33k    107.4%   93.3%
90+     7   1  100.0%  15.09k    104.9%   96.2%

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RR     Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
60-69  26.0%   17.7%    20.8%    13.7%     2.3     150.0%
70-79  32.3%   27.9%    46.0%   111.5%     1.3      89.4%
80-89  46.1%   42.3%   107.8%   175.1%     1.1     112.5%
90+    44.8%   47.6%    86.5%    73.3%     1.3     122.4%
By scenario size

Small brackets should be read carefully.

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Players  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
12-17     7   5  15.15k    218.2%  207.7%
18-23    25   8  12.48k     79.9%   68.6%
24       17   4  18.12k     97.8%   82.6%
25-35    17   6  13.45k    117.7%  113.3%
36+       1   1  11.71k     80.7%   51.5%

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Players  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
12-17    39.8%   44.5%     73.1%   80.1%      94.7%
18-23    35.9%   31.3%     68.2%  110.4%     103.0%
24       32.3%   25.6%     70.6%  148.6%     117.6%
25-35    54.4%   50.9%    118.6%  135.6%      84.8%
36+      29.3%   28.0%     72.1%  178.1%     500.0%
By number of Order healers

No 6+ Order-healer bracket remains in the final comparable sample.

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Order healers  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
<=3            56   8  14.15k     96.4%   85.0%
4-5            11   5  15.79k    123.5%  110.9%

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Order healers  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
<=3            37.8%   35.3%     68.2%   118.7%    106.2%
4-5            46.2%   42.4%    129.5%   156.5%    107.7%
Short reading

After requiring at least 3 comparable SCs per player, the final sample is:

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Comparable Shield WP entries: 67
Players: 8
Scenarios: 67
The global result is:

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Winrate:                              59.7%

Heal/min vs other Order healers:     100.3%
Heal others/min vs Order healers:     88.7%

Damage vs average active DPS:         39.4%
Kill damage vs active DPS:            36.4%

Protection to others vs healers:      77.7%
Protection received vs healers:      125.6%
Deaths vs healers:                   106.4%
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