IB punt needs a buff..

[Jildaz]

No one said its hard to use, no one said its unplayable. We say its harder to use compare to other tanks with not much benefit out of it. Yes there is barrier language and perhaps you don't really understand what i Say, so be it.

The main topic of this thread is to ask for gameplay improvement, to make the class smoother. No one is complaining here.
Play an IB, and when your DPS will ask a KD to secure kill, but you can't because you did not block an attack because you parried it or dodge it, or dirsupt it, you just say, sry cant KD. And Same goes with punt, to keep your oath friend with buff you need to use a lot of grudge and in some situation its hard to keep it up.

OFC i am talking about small scale here, you dont have this issue in WB. Don"t get me wrong , i am talking about small scale situation, 3/6 man roam parties /sc.
If there's no one else but healers left to kill, or chasing someone that doesnt hit you, you can't build grudge, you dont block, you hit with a soft noodle and you just have 0 tool as a SNB to actually assist and kill secure the target.

This is not an issue BG have because its way easier to build hate as you do it just by hitting opponents, without a tactic slot, and Snb KD + Punt get buffed with hate. Its the same Issue but not the same results.

i am not even talking about 2H spec, this is not viable imo nowadays with all SH / Sorc / maguses around.

Again its not a complain, it just feels sometimes not fair to put efforts for not so much. (like wtf you have to throw 5 daggers before entering a fight with a special tactic slot which is not that good either x) )

[Grunvagr]

A couple things:

-the dark protector on Blackguard does NOT cause a GCD. You can press it and immediately press Elite Training (or any other skill). This is the oath protector equivalent to the Ironbreaker skill. (Google search confirms the same. Tested it in game last night and it works. No GCD occurs.)

-when knocked down you cannot parry or block. Again, I paid attention in game when I KD’d enemy tanks and when I fell down and never did I see a parry or block text.

[Fey]

That's weird. I KD a zealot yesterday and he parried my punt. Maybe I was out of range. The game does a really good job of firing skills while out of range, and they do nothing.

Unless something has changed you can absolutely block and party while KD.

[gisborne]

IB is probably the strongest tank in the game fighting over that fact with BO

Aha. Hahaha. Hahahahahahaha!

Wait, you're serious?

[nocturnalguest]

IB is probably the strongest tank in the game fighting over that fact with BO

Aha. Hahaha. Hahahahahahaha!

Wait, you're serious?

Why laughing? Its actually true for any organised gameplay. For how majority plays - yeah, there are more dumb options that are more effective if all you do is W and press 1 with cold beer in one hand.

[Alubert]

IB is probably the strongest tank in the game fighting over that fact with BO

Aha. Hahaha. Hahahahahahaha!

Wait, you're serious?

It’s true. BO and IB are top tanks.
I don't know why you're surprised.
I'll add that the IB knockback is very good and effective.

[Jajcek12]

Maybe its little oftop but i think its othere kind of question.
Does grudge scaled abbilities are good enaugh on 100 grudges? Maybe they should get some buff like grudge born fury gets.
Does grudge gain tactics are good enaugh in curent grudge spent meta? Dwarven riposte, ok -but rising anger could be little better( you and Your oath friend hit effect) . 30 grudge BoG,25 oathbound( was 15 before change) ect.
The point is that- if player pick grudge gain tactic he wish to take advantage from 100point grudges effects on abbility and buff at the same time. In othere case constand buffing puts player always under 100. Its decision to not buff and have 100 or buff and be around 50-100. Picking correct grudge making tactic giving possibility to have high grudges number and buff constantly.
Binding grudge, heavy blow, earhshater had their number decresed few years ago. Increse number of grudge to use abbilities, two grudge gain tactic requirement to play with full advantage from grudge related abbility.

[Jajcek12]

That's weird. I KD a zealot yesterday and he parried my punt. Maybe I was out of range. The game does a really good job of firing skills while out of range, and they do nothing.

Unless something has changed you can absolutely block and party while KD.

Classic, press cc , target got immunity and walk away.
Opponent who cc you with 5ft abbility from good 10ft or more.
On top of parry block with back, i belive game decide where is your front with camera movement not with caracter facing.

[piratx2]

IB punt is fine and great! The only thing IB and for this matter BG need at the beginning of the fight is some ramp time, to build sufficent grugde/hate. If you are smart and swap your oath friend / dark protector around you get it so quick, then after lets say the first 5 secs you will never be starved for it again in a constant fight, also you have your baseline grudge/hatred builder now, which solves the former biggest weakness were you needed the tactic to build it reliantly.

IB is best order tank. No change is needed in my modest opinion.

Best regards,
Xue

[Florian90210]

Maybe its little oftop but i think its othere kind of question.
Does grudge scaled abbilities are good enaugh on 100 grudges? Maybe they should get some buff like grudge born fury gets.
Does grudge gain tactics are good enaugh in curent grudge spent meta? Dwarven riposte, ok -but rising anger could be little better( you and Your oath friend hit effect) . 30 grudge BoG,25 oathbound( was 15 before change) ect.
The point is that- if player pick grudge gain tactic he wish to take advantage from 100point grudges effects on abbility and buff at the same time. In othere case constand buffing puts player always under 100. Its decision to not buff and have 100 or buff and be around 50-100. Picking correct grudge making tactic giving possibility to have high grudges number and buff constantly.
Binding grudge, heavy blow, earhshater had their number decresed few years ago. Increse number of grudge to use abbilities, two grudge gain tactic requirement to play with full advantage from grudge related abbility.

I have no problem with grudge gen with risen anger when I even play solo. If you buff it, then class mechanic be too decorative.
The question is why IB and BG has class mechanic to manage and don't gain much from it. Especially kotbs and chosen simply turn auras on and do so much more than IB and BG. Also can't punt on first contact, can't pre-buff.