current slayer build

[nocturnalguest]

Its surely garbage weapon. Its just ravezaar is a solo player and forgot to mention game mode where he thinks its BiS.

It makes some sense to use as solo but even then you can just go with violent impacts and play yellow which is just plain better exp if you solo roam/pug (dunno about duels, really not interested in playing r-p-s).

Also 2h is suboptimal choice outside of properly organised 6men. Its fun to play this spec regardless and i dont deny its unreal to play it as solo/pug but its just simply suboptimal. You will do much better as DW pugging with regular builds.

2h spec = fully optimized 6men and you play enabler role for frontloaded burst 2nd DPS stripping everything thru spellbreaker under winds.
dw spec = rest

[ravezaar]

Also want to add when new Scenario Weapons comes out this 2H most likely gonna be BiS due to its Armor debuff Proc, wich is really good for SL & Choppa

https://imgur.com/a/PKnaddC

Different pov, to me it's a garbage weapon.

Ok yea diffrent pov then for me Bloodlord is garbage weapon for ex

[siglade]

Also want to add when new Scenario Weapons comes out this 2H most likely gonna be BiS due to its Armor debuff Proc, wich is really good for SL & Choppa

https://imgur.com/a/PKnaddC

Different pov, to me it's a garbage weapon.

Ok yea diffrent pov then for me Bloodlord is garbage weapon for ex

There is no real good 2h weap, Bloodlord 'proc' is not that good since we already have a very high damage modifier but the speed swing is the best available.

Issue with the sc weap new proc is that first value is super low and secondly duration is 6s. Even for solo enjoyer their are better with a defensive weapon that give parry (LV) than this one. In any group setting proc is literally a dead weight as you should have someone that armor debuff and not rely on something rng.

[ravezaar]

Bloodlord is not worth it anymore after the Armor nerf in Yellow, the dmg output is just not worth the dmg intake so for me Bloodlord is garbage.

The new weapon has a 609 Armor debuff wich will proc basicly all the time with our DoT's and no amount of WS can make up for that debuff so for ME its BiS, and yes I do run Solo.

Also running 2H in WB as said I seriously doubt is a good choice or a wanted choice, but hey these days doubt Slayer is a choice in WB anyway.

For me this 2H is what iam gonna go for come patch, and I will also go for the 1H Parry version for that build (most likely 2 of those)

[siglade]

Dot doesn't make the weapon proc...

[ravezaar]

It will proc, slot 2 WS Talismans in that Weapon and it is BiS. If u dont think so I cant change yout mind thats fine, Iv min/max this class since 2008

[nocturnalguest]

It will proc, slot 2 WS Talismans in that Weapon and it is BiS. If u dont think so I cant change yout mind thats fine, Iv min/max this class since 2008

Well, lemme try with some super quick maths
1. Dot ticks will not proc it, however initial damage component, if there is any, will (like relentless strike)
2. Some theory first. 2 WS talis 23+24 = 3,3% armor penetration, 609 armor debuff = 13,8% armor reduction, armor penetration comes after armor debuff and last goes armor ignore (which you can get from violent impacts). Before you reach 800 str WS investments are damage loss, so lets say you are str cap and run 500-650 WS (46,4% armor penetration at best just from WS + some from gear). Considering you take armor debuff weapon and violent impacts you will alone completely leave 3500 armor down to 1162 (vs. 1407 with violent impact but without armor debuff) which is 26,4% mitigation left (vs. 31,9% just with violent impact), 5,5% mitigation difference. Now consider that there will be armor debuff of proper 1000-1600 value from IB/WL/WP and you bring +5% dmg bloodlord and violent impact, you will hit against 17,3% mitigation (763 armor left) with 5% damage increase on top, thats almost double JUST mitigation effiecency of 9,1% with someone's else armor debuff. Target's armor penetration reduction (70 armor = 1% reduced armor penetration) is left outside the scope but armor ignore will outperform armor debuff in this case being a separate calculation.
Overally you will perform much better both in permared or yellow 2h builds with any other weapons relying on someone's else armor debuff. Violent impact and armor debuff difference is 245 armor for 3500 case and higher armor the better armor ignore works. In case you hit 4400 armor target (e.g. someone with zealot armor proc or magus buff) then violent impact will outperform 609 armor debuff by 2033 - 1768 = 265 armor without considering armor penetration reduction.
What it all means?
- in any none 1v1 encounter you will do way more damage with bloodlord if you relay on someone's else armor debuff;
- violent impacts does more in any none 1v1 encounter because it stacks with armor debuff and armor penetration;
- in case you hit high armor target (2h tank, zealot or magus buff) in 1v1 violent impact > 609 armor debuff.
3. You cant skip wild gambit whatever you do so you will have no toughness anyways, so bloodlord debuff is pretty much irrelevant for toughness and in case you run yellow build its somewhat okaish for armor too. 180 armor is literally 4% mitigation difference, this amount wont save you anyhow anywhere.
4. LV offensive weapon > armor debuff proc too if its provided by something else. Its at the very least +26 pure stats vs. new sc one

[ravezaar]

Yea I dont run Violent Impacts as Solo, so for me I prefer this Weapon.

As Solo in 2H I run BF-WG-HR-SoS

after Mdps rework any 1v1 situation when u are 2H Sl and run into a WE u need 3-400 Toughness and u really need SoS vs there KD. And tbh WE for us Solo Slayers are 8/10 fights we have. If its a deftard WE, our build dosent matter but no I wouldnt run VI, Iv tested it and since it only effects Exhaust I just dont find it worth it. In DW Builds I absolutely wont run it but ofc there I swap in Riposte so

Weapon Procc is armor debuff on ALL skills not just Exhaust and it dosent take away a Tactic Slot, as I said I know what I do and what I play and even after u so called math I stick to what I said. But ofc if u are handheld with heals and Guard u can get more out of other weapons/build, iam hoever not.

Tnx

[nocturnalguest]

Well, you then have to mention that you talk about solo duels as you give people incredibly missleading advice of new weapon being BiS without mentioning duels. In rest of cases its not anyhow BiS and just garbage pick vs bloodlord, LV offensive 2h or even fort with worthless proc

[ravezaar]

I run Solo and that is far from just duels btw and no I dont run WB were u have complete diffrent sets and builds cause it far less reliant on skill or how u adapt to a fight.

And no Weapon proc isnt garbage compare to option u have, cause if u run Bloodlord out of WB u are dead, period as a Solo roamer. LV is bad so wont even go there and Fort is an option or Earthshatter but thats not for me either.

to OP if u run Solo I would recommend new commin 2H Weapon and even upcomming 1h Weapon and if u are in WB well u can afford to run more offensive weapons since u have backup.

Tnx