Can you make DW DoK Great Again?

[Kyouaku]

It lost it's amazing heal debuff on crit, It's amazing spirirt damage nuke that healed and proced, it's AOE detaunt tactic, It's AOE heal melee spammable, and it now has worse gearing then any other DPS(No Tri WS proc+No Sov set)

With it's special stuff gone, it's mostly just a marauder, but with no charge, squishier, worse gear, worse tactics.

It needs it's gearing fixed, some unque stuff added back in, playing melee without a charge is just stupid, give it a charge, and make Rend Soul uninterruptible so it isn't useless against people with brains.

On Live DoK gearing with random stats was horrible but Mythic eventually figured it out and gave us a great sov set. Here, with that shield BS, our gear is far worse then it was on live with sov and that ring being inferior, resulting in grossly inferior gear to other DPS, ontop of removing the unique stuff that made it good to make it a slow, squishy, less useful, shitty mura.

[lemao]

lmao
Dps dok is LITERALLY S tier (group play) atm
Really not sure if trolling or not here.

[Sinisterror]

lmao
Dps dok is LITERALLY S tier (group play) atm
Really not sure if trolling or not here.

Yeah Dps Dok and Wp are very strong now. I guess it's a matter how you like to play the game and with 9ae cap,50% Aoe Heal debuff and Devouring Essence was 150ft range Spirit DMG Aoe/And It hit hard+healed hard and on Crit debuffed heals on enemy. Also they had Melee Grp heal that gave resources and used AP. Or what is now very hard hitting Spirit DMG dot guilty soul used to heal WP/Def target for 150% of dmg done. It didn't hit nearly this hard but it has the HEAL aspect of this Melee Healer class. Because we liked the Melee Healer versions more than current version

[Sever1n]

Again. Dok strong in what? U keep teling it like a fact but theres no real info behind it. Only real value info comed from Drukhar when he showed his doll results. I still dont agree its S tier as u promote it.

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/51339448 thats on my 3k armor high 50% parry dok. Half of damage from WP just comes automatically. And u still saying dok somehow can mimic that? Dont think so. Had some dif duels but looks like they fried on killboard.

Point is they are not equal and dok is far from strong. Convince me that im wrong i would be happy to be mistaken. In duels with WP if u have stack of guilty soul - u just feel like u starting to melt. As cherry on top they have divine aegis and divine undef spirit nuke that can wreck tanks. Doks dont have anything similar in their arsenal.

[Demonito]

Dps dok is still great, good ST and can heal/rez others
(even if wp more broken with guilty soul doing 2x more of his own AA + hammer of sig...)
Can't tell about live but I agree some of the last changes made dok less fun
Heal patch gave a crazy armor break, however it deleted the previous core of dok mech
Sanguinary Extention used to refresh debuff, that was an amazing tool far better than slow
Same for Drowning in Blood that was refreshing all your CD during buff without essence blocked
Would really like a rework of this one for a longer buff+CD, it's annoying to spam it every 5s

Warlord to match sov would be nice for all classes (and invader up to rr70)

[hordak774]

Dps dok is still great, good ST and can heal/rez others
(even if wp more broken with guilty soul doing 2x more of his own AA + hammer of sig...)
Can't tell about live but I agree some of the last changes made dok less fun
Heal patch gave a crazy armor break, however it deleted the previous core of dok mech
Sanguinary Extention used to refresh debuff, that was an amazing tool far better than slow
Same for Drowning in Blood that was refreshing all your CD during buff without essence blocked
Would really like a rework of this one for a longer buff+CD, it's annoying to spam it every 5s

Warlord to match sov would be nice for all classes (and invader up to rr70)

yeah sure broken, it aply on crit and no simple hit. Compare to doc 25% crit buff and devour essense

[Kyouaku]

DoK is pretty much just a worse Mura now, it's a mura that cant charge, is squishier, with worse gear options, no pull, no good AOE spec. It trades all of this for what? A channel that is a large DPS loss that is broken all the time?

Any group that runs a DoK in SCs or RvR is just better off running a mura that has mobility, utility, survivability, and similar damage.

DoKs damage used to be super high, It isnt even higher now. The AOE spirit damage nuke was incredible. With the loss of the heal debuff, it's kill power is far lower now.

[lemao]

Dont get baited guys

[Sever1n]

Baited by what? Spec have problems. If dont believe go make one and see yourself.

[Sinisterror]

Again. Dok strong in what? U keep teling it like a fact but theres no real info behind it. Only real value info comed from Drukhar when he showed his doll results. I still dont agree its S tier as u promote it.

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/51339448 thats on my 3k armor high 50% parry dok. Half of damage from WP just comes automatically. And u still saying dok somehow can mimic that? Dont think so. Had some dif duels but looks like they fried on killboard.

Point is they are not equal and dok is far from strong. Convince me that im wrong i would be happy to be mistaken. In duels with WP if u have stack of guilty soul - u just feel like u starting to melt. As cherry on top they have divine aegis and divine undef spirit nuke that can wreck tanks. Doks dont have anything similar in their arsenal.

You are correct in that Dps WP vs Dps DoK 1v1 Wp has Alot more Burst dmg and hard hitting abilities+AA. When patch came out and i played dps dok and first few Dps Wp i dueled completely killed me and very fast. I couldnt react fast enough and melee channels breaking too easily meant i couldnt heal myself with Rend soul enough. So i checked what Dps Wp could do in PTS i realize what they could do(And adjusted as how to play against them, i do win most dps wp but i have to do it fast or i lose. Im sure there are many who will kill me 1v1 because i have 6k wounds and they and or their class is better than me : D Yes Dps wp burst is very high, but that is for other reasons why AA haste + all passive dmg is the king and why passive Regen Wins Dps atm. It's all the nerfs and 25% Slower gameplay that makes passivity beat everything else. and now i kill most of the dps Wp's - but i have to do it fast or they will win. RoR Adding cone check to melee channels.. RiP. Maybe original War already tried that and realized that if Melee channels have a cone they will break for so many reasons and this makes them useless. And after realizing that they returned to melee channels having no cone check and everything was fine for 15 years before they had to make skills worse... Why? there is no reaason to make your game function WORSE and still calling it "Intended"