[WE] Def WE still a thing?

[dox0815]

Hi guys, just wanted to know if Def WE is still a thing? If so pls tell me how to Gear and how to Spec.

Thx in Advance

[Fey]

My brother in Sigmar, you simply have no idea.

[SuperStar]

Hi guys, just wanted to know if Def WE is still a thing? If so pls tell me how to Gear and how to Spec.

Thx in Advance

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[Soldis]

Not good as before but still playable. Build depends on your level, but almost nothing has changed and other variations based on this https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... 9,9437,523
Parry/regen then armor/str/-crt.dmg.
And don't read the topic above, there's no useful information.

[nat3s]

I personally prefer a different setup to the above, here's my armoury:

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 704/armory

And build:

RoR.builders - Witch Elf

And renown:

https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/r ... ;0;0;0;0;4

Gets you to 3k armour, 450 toughness, 456 regen, 800 strength, 45% parry.

I think Heart Seeker stun is overrated, its only 3s and DRs with Disarm/Silence which are both 4s. So open on a melee, use disarm on first parry, when you open on a caster, use silence.

For dot classes like AM and RP, switch out 600 absorb tactic (doesn't proc on dot crits) for Close Combat instead. For AMs, you can also switch out Taste for Blood for Alignment of Nag which gets you 700 spirit resist (c41% dmg reduction) which on top of the 25% dmg reduction from Close Combat makes their dots much more manageable. Spam Sever on cd for AM/RP to clear buffs/hots/shields.

Toughest fights will be a RP (armour+tough build), AM (tough build), WL (parry/regen build) and parry WH (75% parry build). You also wont be killing any healers as you do tickle dmg. 2h tanks are manageable, shield tanks are effectively a stalemate.

[krumhur]

I personally prefer a different setup to the above, here's my armoury:

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 704/armory

And build:

RoR.builders - Witch Elf

And renown:

https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/r ... ;0;0;0;0;4

Gets you to 3k armour, 450 toughness, 456 regen, 800 strength, 45% parry.

I think Heart Seeker stun is overrated, its only 3s and DRs with Disarm/Silence which are both 4s. So open on a melee, use disarm on first parry, when you open on a caster, use silence.

For dot classes like AM and RP, switch out 600 absorb tactic (doesn't proc on dot crits) for Close Combat instead. For AMs, you can also switch out Taste for Blood for Alignment of Nag which gets you 700 spirit resist (c41% dmg reduction) which on top of the 25% dmg reduction from Close Combat makes their dots much more manageable. Spam Sever on cd for AM/RP to clear buffs/hots/shields.

Toughest fights will be a RP (armour+tough build), AM (tough build), WL (parry/regen build) and parry WH (75% parry build). You also wont be killing any healers as you do tickle dmg. 2h tanks are manageable, shield tanks are effectively a stalemate.

When you say 2h tanks are manageable, do you refer to all 2h tanks or to specific builds? I ask because I guess offensive 2h tanks should be easier than bruiser-specced ones (with lots of parry and decent levels of regen).

[Narfii]

Just recently swapped over to def from off for the last year.

Currently running 5/4 WL/vic with gen jewels. Half armor half str talis. It's a bit more offensively slanted than the normal def builds because I find they lack damage usually. Comes out to about 2500 armor, 350 tough, 980 str, 53% parry, 9k hp.

Brute Force, Kiss of Doom, Sac Rewarded, mark of hellebron tactics.

Pretty much use the same renowns as the guy above me.

I take heartseeker. It's got good scaling and taking it means you have a disarm/silence and a kd available.

Most of your power comes from activating witchbrew with kiss of doom and mark of hellebron. The build takes you to 60/40 on most things. WL/WH/2h tanks can still be a tossup. The runepriest matchup gets worse.

[nat3s]

I personally prefer a different setup to the above, here's my armoury:

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 704/armory

And build:

RoR.builders - Witch Elf

And renown:

https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/r ... ;0;0;0;0;4

Gets you to 3k armour, 450 toughness, 456 regen, 800 strength, 45% parry.

I think Heart Seeker stun is overrated, its only 3s and DRs with Disarm/Silence which are both 4s. So open on a melee, use disarm on first parry, when you open on a caster, use silence.

For dot classes like AM and RP, switch out 600 absorb tactic (doesn't proc on dot crits) for Close Combat instead. For AMs, you can also switch out Taste for Blood for Alignment of Nag which gets you 700 spirit resist (c41% dmg reduction) which on top of the 25% dmg reduction from Close Combat makes their dots much more manageable. Spam Sever on cd for AM/RP to clear buffs/hots/shields.

Toughest fights will be a RP (armour+tough build), AM (tough build), WL (parry/regen build) and parry WH (75% parry build). You also wont be killing any healers as you do tickle dmg. 2h tanks are manageable, shield tanks are effectively a stalemate.

When you say 2h tanks are manageable, do you refer to all 2h tanks or to specific builds? I ask because I guess offensive 2h tanks should be easier than bruiser-specced ones (with lots of parry and decent levels of regen).

All glass cannon setup tanks are winnable. Regen / solo setup 2h tanks I find IB and SM are winnable, but kotbs is a stalemate. Fortunately WE doesn't need to face 2h Chosen which is the best solo tank imo.

[nat3s]

Just recently swapped over to def from off for the last year.

Currently running 5/4 WL/vic with gen jewels. Half armor half str talis. It's a bit more offensively slanted than the normal def builds because I find they lack damage usually. Comes out to about 2500 armor, 350 tough, 980 str, 53% parry, 9k hp.

Brute Force, Kiss of Doom, Sac Rewarded, mark of hellebron tactics.

Pretty much use the same renowns as the guy above me.

I take heartseeker. It's got good scaling and taking it means you have a disarm/silence and a kd available.

Most of your power comes from activating witchbrew with kiss of doom and mark of hellebron. The build takes you to 60/40 on most things. WL/WH/2h tanks can still be a tossup. The runepriest matchup gets worse.

Interesting setup, presumably you're running low crit right so the dmg diff is between 800 str and 980 str + using Mark of Helle, I think Taste For Blood last time I math'd it out was a bigger dmg increase over higher str and Mark. I also find Mark doesn't increase proc rate as much as you would think from a 50% AA buff, although I stopped using the faster sent weapons in favour of regen (which are slow speed).

Used to use a 1 point Ruthless Assault to trigger all Witchbrew procs at once, but the range nerf on it with the mdps patch made it less useful to kite that way, now I just consume Witchbrew from regular attacks, you still consume them all before the 10s CD is up on Witchbrew, just feels less bursty.

What regen does that setup give you?

[Narfii]

Just recently swapped over to def from off for the last year.

Currently running 5/4 WL/vic with gen jewels. Half armor half str talis. It's a bit more offensively slanted than the normal def builds because I find they lack damage usually. Comes out to about 2500 armor, 350 tough, 980 str, 53% parry, 9k hp.

Brute Force, Kiss of Doom, Sac Rewarded, mark of hellebron tactics.

Pretty much use the same renowns as the guy above me.

I take heartseeker. It's got good scaling and taking it means you have a disarm/silence and a kd available.

Most of your power comes from activating witchbrew with kiss of doom and mark of hellebron. The build takes you to 60/40 on most things. WL/WH/2h tanks can still be a tossup. The runepriest matchup gets worse.

Interesting setup, presumably you're running low crit right so the dmg diff is between 800 str and 980 str + using Mark of Helle, I think Taste For Blood last time I math'd it out was a bigger dmg increase over higher str and Mark. I also find Mark doesn't increase proc rate as much as you would think from a 50% AA buff.

Used to use a 1 point Ruthless Assault to trigger all Witchbrew procs at once, but the range nerf on it with the mdps patch made it less useful to kite that way, now I just consume Witchbrew from regular attacks, you still consume them all before the 10s CD is up on Witchbrew, just feels less bursty.

What regen does that setup give you?

ToB is good in the build. I'd be hard pressed to drop either SR or MoH for it so I might try dropping bf for it tbh. I definitely notice more procs. I believe it's a .25s internal cd and the mark takes you to .75s AA with the 1.5 weapon. It makes a huge difference for sustain off kiss of doom.

The Regen is low since no fleshrenders it's basically just the WL chest kiss of doom. I think base is only like 200 but the kisses take you the rest of the way.

Some people really love ra. I wasn't a fan of it even before the changes it seemed very suboptimal to me.