[Witch Elf] deff spec tactics

[Martok]

I like this thread, 10 of 10.

[abezverkhiy]

Sol is one of the best WE's of the server, excellent control of the situation and makes no mistakes.

I want to say a few words about Sacrifices Rewarded - lots of Order do not understand this tactic and come heavily geared in crit and still die. It is extremely powerful tactic - once you crit WE with it, it activates shield that absorbs 600 damage and it procs every 3 seconds.

3 seconds is the time to cast 2 skills and 1 autoattack. Factor in your crit and add another 10% to it (WE's do not like mitigating chance to be critically hit because they want this shield permanently) and you will see that the shield will be on WE every 3 sec if your crit is 25%+.

You can look at it differently - your crits heal WE by 600 every 3 seconds. How do you like that?

Without understanding this you will never be able to kill WE.

BTW Altashir (WL who beats the crap out of Solater) has just 2%.

[Farrul]

600 absorb tactic is overpowered no doubt.

However to use crit or not depends heavily on the class fighting the WE. Tank classes should NOT use crit vs WE since their crits are low dmg and frequent(SM) compared to a dps class and this will make the WE much tougher and prolonging the duel.

If you remove crit on the SM fighting such a WE instantly becomes much easier, hence why Kotbs with 0% cc and their absorb shields will do very well vs WE likewise SnB IB with no crit chance.

On a class like a WH or WL now their Crit spikes are so bursty and spike that if you do it ''the right way'' ( set up addon) the crit whilst being mitigated by the absorb will still do more damage than none crit because of landing a big crit during the window when the absorb tactic is down. This is also on one occasion when a DPS WP is strong because of crits, the dot proc from crit and their damage modifiers(AA+ tactic) can make tremendous harm to the WE during the downtime of the tactic ( this spec being useless vs RDPS).

SW for example who can reach 70% cc 25% cc incease with 80% armor pen does assuming it is allowed to shoot in this fight ( 2 x jump nonsense) quickly overcome the absorb shield. As does a WL or WH again if they can survive to do it ( this requires more player skill and awereness than your ''def'' setups).

Hence watch the best players like MDPV he used crit on WL despite knowing about the shield, only had regen and + wound proc weapon ( Yeah MDPV much better player than both Solo WE or althashir ofc or most players on this server)

Tl;dr Good order players of course know about that shield lol, we build our characters with compromises, i.e less strong vs WE but better vs a caster etc. With the current Def WE apocalypse it might be worthwhile to build more def and less crit but it would suck vs a good shaman etc.

[abezverkhiy]

Not disagreeing but merely saying - crit is overrated, there are alternatives.

Since I dropped crit on my WH to zero fighting WE became so much easier, true, but fighting casters did not. But, there are other ways. And of course, there are compromises.

So, fully agree with you mate.

[salazarn]

Sol is one of the best WE's of the server, excellent control of the situation and makes no mistakes.

Sol is good. But there is a reason he doesn't go damage. Because he's only strong on triple pot with regen.

And obviously regen welf is very problematic in the lakes atm. It just dumpsters ranged classes 2 easily, can out brawl tanks and bruisers, has a double healdebuff / wounds / toughness so it actually can kill healers as well. Obnoxious. People cannot roam ranged atm vs this.

[Krima]

Sol is one of the best WE's of the server, excellent control of the situation and makes no mistakes.

I want to say a few words about Sacrifices Rewarded - lots of Order do not understand this tactic and come heavily geared in crit and still die. It is extremely powerful tactic - once you crit WE with it, it activates shield that absorbs 600 damage and it procs every 3 seconds.

3 seconds is the time to cast 2 skills and 1 autoattack. Factor in your crit and add another 10% to it (WE's do not like mitigating chance to be critically hit because they want this shield permanently) and you will see that the shield will be on WE every 3 sec if your crit is 25%+.

You can look at it differently - your crits heal WE by 600 every 3 seconds. How do you like that?

Without understanding this you will never be able to kill WE.

BTW Altashir (WL who beats the crap out of Solater) has just 2%.

This tactic has been around for ages, I guess everyone knows about it. The thing is, this game isn’t about 1v1s, and offensive sets are crit-based, so there isn’t much of a choice. Even if you fully understand SR, what can you really do differently as an Order player? A good WL, even in offensive sets, will burst through that bubble.

[Sever1n]

I agree with Farrul, armor doesnt counter WE, only toughness and corp resist. I have no idea why people now say aSW and def lion counter them tnx to armor staking - they dont. Sol dont use regen egg in ring, prob her build is semi regen, fighting with full regen WE on lion when i met them years ago was like hiting wall with your head. Dunno what now changed, prob nothing. Btw she have oportunity to leave figth whenever she pleases, so prob she just give kills just of respect or something. Usually def welf pressured till u run of pots, then waited few tics of regen and reengage to finish job if she met some trouble. By making high parry ripost build you are indeed preparing for duel with melle classes, but then u are meat to every ranged solokiter. Toxic beaty of def we, she can work with any target.