Ironbreaker solobitz with VO

[Pahakukka]

Click here to watch on YouTube

For those who are into these!
I had the clips ready so I decided to finish it, even tho im super keen to test the mdps after the patch.
Im running the normal build with normal gear, thats 4pc sov, 4pc warlord with sentinel ring.
I tried to focus on armor pen as it seems IB does not hit that much harder with softcap str.

Build can be seen at end of the video

[Wdova]

Solo IB was great back in the times. Nowadays after all those changes to classes I am convinced that any 2h tank is better than IB. Both 2h Kobs and 2h SM are supperior in terms of survivability, group wide utility and damage.

[Pahakukka]

It really feels like its lacking something. You can fight with it, but amount of effort you have to put in only to be on par with others is just odd

[Farrul]

Solo IB was great back in the times. Nowadays after all those changes to classes I am convinced that any 2h tank is better than IB. Both 2h Kobs and 2h SM are supperior in terms of survivability, group wide utility and damage.

That's what happens when the devs touch that which shouldn't be touched. Grumble'mutter was there for a reason. Now 2H IB is paper made compared with other 2 tanks.

[Farrul]

It really feels like its lacking something. You can fight with it, but amount of effort you have to put in only to be on par with others is just odd

Try the SnB offensive build, there is no shame using it since IB no longer has any survivability in 2H. It sacrifices some dps for vastly improved defences and better tools since you keep Earthshatter + Punishing Knock of the old 2H IB.

RoR.builders - Ironbreaker

You can even play around with tactics and do a focused offence, sweet revenge, rising anger, punishing knock vs shamans, zealots etc.

[Pahakukka]

It really feels like its lacking something. You can fight with it, but amount of effort you have to put in only to be on par with others is just odd

Try the SnB offensive build, there is no shame using it since IB no longer has any survivability in 2H. It sacrifices some dps for vastly improved defences and better tools since you keep Earthshatter + Punishing Knock of the old 2H IB.

RoR.builders - Ironbreaker

You can even play around with tactics and do a focused offence, sweet revenge, rising anger, punishing knock vs shamans, zealots etc.

There is nothing but shame roaming with snb .

[Farrul]

There is nothing but shame roaming with snb .

I feel you may suffer from the stockholms syndrome here or perhaps you are a greenskin in disguise?

There is no shame in an offensive setup full str and ws. When you consider your opponents, def regen WE, regen Magus, full hybrid shamans, the shame then becomes a self-inflicted vulnerability since any of those specs are more dishonorable than a proper dwarf with a shield( IB is shield lorefriendly btw).

[Pahakukka]

from what I have had the pleasure of fighting snb tanks:
-They have no real burst and not really pressure, but they win by attrition if guy stays there figting them. 100 dps will kill unhealed guy with 8500 hp in 85 seconds. It takes longer if guy has parry/block.

IB really mainy does the dmg with the dot pressure and oathstone. if you detaunt and wont hit back the dmg falls to nearly 0.

Block in 1v1 is busted stat as there is just no strikethrough available for it, getting 50-60 block will essentially just negate HALF of the dmg other guy does and carries the game in duel context by itself. Its good if you want to win fights, but if you want to have fun while playing, look for equal matchups where playerinput/mistakes play any role its not the top pick

If everyone would play it solo niche would die completely as all matches would be 4-5 minutes long slugfests (or until wb runs either one over) and the WE still has abvility to just leave you standing whenever she wishes so its not really a counter against them either. If you treat winning same as surviving then its quite obviopus choice, coupled with fleshrenders and all the items you find to max the block.

I recently made the defensive engi clip for ppl to see what it will be like if we go that route. Solo niche especially is player driven content and will be/is pretty much ruined with the obvious easy specs that prefer to outsustain rather than outplay the enemy.

This might sound harsh, but i quite frankly rather just join the mindless blobfest as another pug wb lead/participant than start soloroaming with any of those specs

[Farrul]

from what I have had the pleasure of fighting snb tanks:
-They have no real burst and not really pressure, but they win by attrition if guy stays there figting them. 100 dps will kill unhealed guy with 8500 hp in 85 seconds. It takes longer if guy has parry/block.

I think you underestimate how much pressure IB SnB can do when in offensive gear ( meaning stacked weapon skill) , in fact Oathstone is likely the burstiest skill in the whole IB arsenal. I did an experiment once with a SnB IB using the offensive ''gilgam build'' and it had no problems getting through a full regen SM in a reasonable time frame.

To my awereness there are only two SnB tanks that can put pressure on the target, one is IB the other is Kotbs with 2 x conquest auras and Myrmidas fury. The others are more like you describe, winning by attrition slowly. Look up that kotbs SnB clip which was posted not so long ago.

With IB it's all about the timing of execution, 2 x armor debuffs / WS buff and Oathstone, earthshatter is known to kill stuff and deliver the damage. This of course assumes the build is offence and not a toughness build with zero killing power.

IB really mainy does the dmg with the dot pressure and oathstone. if you detaunt and wont hit back the dmg falls to nearly 0.

Sure but what are you fighting, a healer? Well SnB IB has got Punishing Knock unlike 2H so the damage shouldn't be much lesser against them( You can skip 2H channel for Punishing Knock but then is there a point of playing 2H? Since heavy strike nerf).

Block in 1v1 is busted stat as there is just no strikethrough available for it, getting 50-60 block will essentially just negate HALF of the dmg other guy does and carries the game in duel context by itself. Its good if you want to win fights, but if you want to have fun while playing, look for equal matchups where playerinput/mistakes play any role its not the top pick

If everyone would play it solo niche would die completely as all matches would be 4-5 minutes long slugfests (or until wb runs either one over) and the WE still has abvility to just leave you standing whenever she wishes so its not really a counter against them either. If you treat winning same as surviving then its quite obviopus choice, coupled with fleshrenders and all the items you find to max the block.

I recently made the defensive engi clip for ppl to see what it will be like if we go that route. Solo niche especially is player driven content and will be/is pretty much ruined with the obvious easy specs that prefer to outsustain rather than outplay the enemy.

This might sound harsh, but i quite frankly rather just join the mindless blobfest as another pug wb lead/participant than start soloroaming with any of those specs

Block is killable if it isn't overstacked, a typical offensive IB build would not surpass 40% block, in fact 30-35% is more likely. Then block can be debuffed further. If stacked high ( 55%+) it is an insane stat but offensive setup can't afford it without gimping damage.

To put it into perspective, it is less powerful than those 2H tanks stacking High% parry for the melee duel, blocks real value in this context is the overall defence vs rdps included, but then again you're fight Magus which is busted class balance-wise, zealots are now a thing and their M1 is busted etc, shamans? Oh please. Only RSH has the rights to complain, but it is lore-friendly for a dwarf to dominate little goblins 1vs1!

Overall though i don't like def duels like you are describing, but with IB you can make a SnB character which creates enough pressure except vs healers that refuse to fight you. If you go enough offence you're squishy enough to be killable which will make others duel you, or still kill those that won't (assuming no detaunt/healer/ run WC little girl)

I would even dare to say the destro expects IB to be SnB when solo roaming since 2H just isn't up to it anymore vs meta destro classes, sadly ( this used to be my favourite toon). But of course you do as you please, it would be interesting to see you also play the SnB style and then making a video about it, hence why i mentioned it in the first place.

[Pahakukka]

It is true that IB doesnt get that much from the 2h, I have been tying with +2 mastery build idea where you can get the AA dmg buff aswell. I think the biiggest issue with 2 h is the channels armorpen bonus being only available at full grudge. Its super taxing try to have exactly 100grudge everytime you want to channel to get full dmg potential.

You mentioned the main issue of snb tanks, you can kill ppl who let themself to be killed, and rest will run away. Its way too polarized. But then, it seems that the tanks are kinda just drifting to that direction. Mdps classes ion general have very little to do againsttanks with high armor mitigation, maxed out parry and some dmg on the side. I been testin marauder out lately and I'm pretty much just avoiding all tanks with it. Even with PB and full ws talismans I dont get enough armorpen to deal dmg fast enough to kill them before i die.