Petition about Gunbad

[Telther]

Oh no….you mean you can’t just mindlessly smash through it anymore??? What a shame! Glad they’re bringing back the mechanics for it…just wait for the buttons in the middle wing…

It can be done by sub 40s….do the mechanics and heaven forbid you have to go back to a basic 2/2/2 group

[frippe30]

Signed
Make it so a party of 33-39's can make it.

[Groning1]

Bringing back the mechanics is a great choice because it restores the depth, challenge, and teamwork that made the original Warhammer Online experience so rewarding. The reintroduction of these mechanics encourages proper group coordination, communication, and role balance—reviving the need for strategy over simple brute force. It also adds variety and replayability, giving both new and veteran players a more immersive and authentic PvE experience that feels true to the game’s Warhammer roots. By reintroducing these original features, the developers show a commitment to quality and nostalgia, strengthening the community’s connection to the game and rewarding players who value skillful play and cooperative effort.

[Kylashandra]

Honestly the only boss who requires a consistent tuning down is Masta Mixa, the rest is fine as is.

[Gladiolix]

Poor Gunbad. Not good easy, not good hard.

That gave me a laugh, very true though

[Pycckue]

Bringing back the mechanics is a great choice because it restores the depth, challenge, and teamwork that made the original Warhammer Online experience so rewarding. The reintroduction of these mechanics encourages proper group coordination, communication, and role balance—reviving the need for strategy over simple brute force. It also adds variety and replayability, giving both new and veteran players a more immersive and authentic PvE experience that feels true to the game’s Warhammer roots. By reintroducing these original features, the developers show a commitment to quality and nostalgia, strengthening the community’s connection to the game and rewarding players who value skillful play and cooperative effort.

You know, I could also ask chatgpt or someone like that to find the positive aspects of the changes in Gunbad and read something "positive" in that vein.
But there's a downside: neither chatgpt nor you (most likely) were frequent Gunbad visitors, and it's very easy for you to remain positive.

[ILuxian]

Bringing back the mechanics is a great choice because it restores the depth, challenge, and teamwork that made the original Warhammer Online experience so rewarding. The reintroduction of these mechanics encourages proper group coordination, communication, and role balance—reviving the need for strategy over simple brute force. It also adds variety and replayability, giving both new and veteran players a more immersive and authentic PvE experience that feels true to the game’s Warhammer roots. By reintroducing these original features, the developers show a commitment to quality and nostalgia, strengthening the community’s connection to the game and rewarding players who value skillful play and cooperative effort.

I understand your position and partially agree with it, but not for a low-level dungeon. Where in the 5 chat do you see any Gunbad gatherings these days, much less experienced players going to Gunbad? The dungeon died, I monitored it almost all Saturday on Destro, and only once in the 5 chat did they gather for Gunbad... fun? A challenge?

[Han]

the dungeon has effectively been killed.

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... nstance=60

5 complete runs yesterday ? cmon

[Dezibagel]

Bringing back the mechanics is a great choice because it restores the depth, challenge, and teamwork that made the original Warhammer Online experience so rewarding. The reintroduction of these mechanics encourages proper group coordination, communication, and role balance—reviving the need for strategy over simple brute force. It also adds variety and replayability, giving both new and veteran players a more immersive and authentic PvE experience that feels true to the game’s Warhammer roots. By reintroducing these original features, the developers show a commitment to quality and nostalgia, strengthening the community’s connection to the game and rewarding players who value skillful play and cooperative effort.

Why would you auto-generate a nothingburger of an answer to try and defend Gunbad? Genuinely curious.

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Gunbad was like the only dungeon I hardly ever heard any complaints about prior to this change, since it was quick, easy, and had incentive for veterans to join up in the form of easy gold so there was never any shortage of mixed /5 groups.

Conjecture here (so PLEASE correct me), but I think what's happening is this:

Devs want to use PvE/dungeons with extended mechanics to try and force people to coordinate early while leveling. In theory bringing newbies and veterans together with the latter teaching mechanics (over voice), opening the door for further cooperation and setting expectations for what kind of team game this is.

Look at LV with its systematic introduction of mechanics and gradual increase in difficulty - it's a comparatively fantastic dungeon that blew all the others completely out of the water when it was introduced. It's a remarkable feat imo.

But here's the thing it still sucks, and I and I think a very large part of the playerbase don't want to spend a minute more than warranted by progression in there (broken clock but **** BiS PvE items).

This is through no fault or lack of effort in its design - I'll reiterate that I think it's fantastic for a RoR dungeon, it's just that I for one am just not interested, and I think the game in general just isn't conducive to any 'engaging' PvE experience.

So what ends up happening instead with a playerbase that loathes PvE? The veterans just cba and only brute force speedrun carry friends/guildies through as warranted by progression, and just don't bother with /5 at all. The newbies get to fend for themselves and probably get very frustrated and then there's lots of complaining (although that is ofc. the norm, hey, I'm complaining here!). This probably until enough cheese etc. is found and spread so that the average player can run the dungeon blindfolded.

I'm maybe getting a bit off topic here, but *Scenarios*, not PvE is where IMHO people should be incentivevized to spend their time playing the fun part of the game and learning the value of coordination, roles etc. etc. that make up the PvP system. Let dungeons be a romp, and just let people perhaps get in contact with eachother there, and then PvP together as Queen Elizabeth intended.

If there are a bunch of people who genuinely enjoy the PvE then let them have it, and keep making cool stuff. Just please make it a bit more... Optional for those of us that don't. Start by slashing the crest costs, for like Invader in particular, and increasing SC rewards.

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Sorry the post is a bit disorganized, written on phone during a few bus rides ))