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[nocturnalguest]

Yes, i do understand. Its just very very approximate and inaccurate comparison is what im saying. Of course its better then to yell.
What i disagree with is that DPS spec of a healer should be by design "not working" = having no kill power, lower DPS then DPS spec of DPS class etc. They should have killing power and be equal in terms of DPS either way those will be "dead" specs used for PvE. It also increases diversity of possible group compositions and much healthier for a game. They do have to have obvious downsides tho, like any other DPS. Thats balance.

Other approach is that any offspec of strict archetype class should be full utility. For example 2h WP could be doing some buffs/debuffs or CC, AoE KD will be cool to start with. And this is not balance design we currently live in, so we are back to option 1 - working offspec is then DPS is on DPS class levels.

[Rapzel]

For non crit that dmg is bullshit for sure if this is not warcamp buff.

Lion - 967 str 700ws 136 melle power non crit auto on construct with armor debuff - 671/183 just checked. Dummy - 854

Did you do the OP math where you count in mitigated damage?

[Sinisterror]

I always liked the actual MELEE HEALING part of the class, not just doing dmg but healing through doing dmg and because we had transfer essence/sigmars radiance = Melee Grpheal that gives 40 essence/fury and heals you+party for 500-800, sometimes maybe 1k in dps spec and therefore you are not burden to the party because you can actually Melee heal thru dmg.

If you were wp the only difference with Grace spec & Wrath spec was 25% Increased Melee healing tactic instead of guilty soul. For Dok it was 25% increased melee heal instead 50% Aoe heal debuff tactic. Maybe change Guilty Soul back to healing you 150% of its dmg done. Not the current one though when Gs has 3x stacks and does 600 dmg. Second highest Dps Wp Dmg skill on kills after Autoattack, I assume? Single target.

Imo the best version of the class is somewhere where wp and dok dont have shields, and not restricing attacks based on what wpns you are using. And doing 80% Of true dps single target dmg thru sustain, but 20% of true healers healing as burst healing. Rend soul/divine assault were the best single target burst heals before Melee Channels were broken, still are somewhat broken.

[Rapzel]

Let's run some numbers.

A usual BIS 2hWP build (5 Warlord - 4 Vic) + 2 pc Genesis reaches 876 STR (1026 buffed) and also has 99 (Warlord 5pc) + 60 (Bloodlord) + 18 (Vic gloves) + 36 (genesis piece) = 213 melee Power. All in all, their DB will be (1026+213)/5 = 247.8

The AA damage formula before modifications is (wDps + 0.50*DB)*wSpeed
That number is then multiplied by both the Dmg% bonus (25% from Divine Fury tactic and 5% from Bloodlord weapon) and by the AA dmg% bonus (25% from Fanaticism tactic and potentially another 25% from an IB's Blood of Grimnir).

• No IB buff:
  (82.6 + 0.50*247.8)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.25 = 867 * 1.30 * 1.25 = 1409

• With IB buff:
  (82.6 + 0.50*247.8)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 867 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 1691

Even if we consider unconventional build adjustments from the WP's side, we still can't reach 1778:

Usually 2hWPs have crit talismans in the 3rd Jewelry slot and use linis offering crit (usually TOU+crit).
Swapping out the crit talisman to a +54 Melee Power tali and the liniment to Inevitable Tempest (STR +Melee Power) while also under an IB buff, we get:
(82.6 + 0.50*266.2)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 906 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 1766

Close but no ciggar

As we can see, we are still off from the observed 1778 AA hit even with an IB buffed regular or unconventional BIS 2hWP.
But in this case, the 2h WP in question is not even in BIS gear (Warlord-Bloodlord mix). So something else is at play here.

The difference can be explained in the following ways:

• An incoming dmg tanken increase% on the target:
  E.g. from an Engi's Signal Flare or from a BW's 7pc Warlord proc
  

• A warcamp buff/debuff:
  Another commenter seems to imply that was the case and it could certainly explain the dmg increase.

Did you take strength buff into consideration?

Minor correction it's Beacon of Courage not Fanaticism.

[leftayparxoun]

Let's run some numbers.
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Did you take strength buff into consideration?

Minor correction it's Beacon of Courage not Fanaticism.

Thanks for the correction.

Yes, the max STR self-buff of 150 (as of the last update) was factored in, even though it is highly unlikely that they would have more than 9 points in the shield tree. A more realistic approach would have been to add the self-buff value for 9 points which is 128, but I wanted to see if it was even possible so I used 150.

You can see for example in my original comment

...reaches 876 STR (1026 buffed)...

[Sever1n]

Imo the best version of the class is somewhere where wp and dok dont have shields, and not restricing attacks based on what wpns you are using. And doing 80% Of true dps single target dmg thru sustain, but 20% of true healers healing as burst healing. Rend soul/divine assault were the best single target burst heals before Melee Channels were broken, still are somewhat broken.

Thats the problem, they cant have same lvl of dmg and on of top of that ton of utility tools. WP also have acces to strong gamechanging def morales. Why would you play sork if wp doing same pressure dmg and heal group on top? Thats why i believe that giving them damage similiar to pure dps is bad idea. But its for devs to decide.

Usually main problem of wp/doks was hard armored targets cos they cannot stack ws high. But now all armor nerfed and they got -1600, and armor ignoring/magic dmg. Ligth armor at this point just eats true dmg after 1600 debuff. So whats the point to play glasscannons if all dps classes on same lvl.

[rady]

Black orc dmg.
I have not used melee power tali and liniment.