[Mara] Current state of the class?

[wildwindblows]

Choppa and SL are currently very well balanced when it comes to aoe.
Instead, I expect a strong reinforcement of the 2h ST spec (finally).

wl, mara and rsh are well balanced too. Obviously you expect nerf except your main. This is not a good attitude!

Yes choppa is my main char on destro which I do not play because I play all tanks and healers in the game. Just like SL on order side.
I made the suggestion myself to nerf choppa/sl as the suggestion required so I can safely refute your argument.
The current suggestions about wl/mar I make because I am not blind.
Take a peek at the voting post and you'll see that 90% of players think so. And more significantly some of the better players playing wl/mara confirm this.

What matters isn't what players want, but what the data shows. Developers should be looking at data, not player feedback. The game is already unbalanced because of whiny players constantly demanding nerfs.

[Alubert]

It seems that we are playing two different games.
I think but this is my opinion, you may have a different point of view, that the game is balanced well as never in history.
All tanks and healers are unique and playable. Most dps too except for a few classes/specs.
Wl/mara/rsh leads the way in this imbalance.
Date: rsh - only rdps that can kill healer on detaunt
Wl/mara aoe channel: one tic channel 1.7k+ dmg. Just one tic. 13 sec CD on skill. 9 sec window between using again.
New arm pene tactic caused wl/mara spin to gain an incredible bonus to arm pene. How aoe skill can hit so hard? Completely sick situation when using aoe skill pays off against one target.
Of course you may not see it but some of the best wl/mara players on the server are talking about it themselves.

[wildwindblows]

It seems that we are playing two different games.
I think but this is my opinion, you may have a different point of view, that the game is balanced well as never in history.
All tanks and healers are unique and playable. Most dps too except for a few classes/specs.
Wl/mara/rsh leads the way in this imbalance.
Date: rsh - only rdps that can kill healer on detaunt
Wl/mara aoe channel: one tic channel 1.7k+ dmg. Just one tic. 13 sec CD on skill. 9 sec window between using again.
New arm pene tactic caused wl/mara spin to gain an incredible bonus to arm pene. How aoe skill can hit so hard? Completely sick situation when using aoe skill pays off against one target.
Of course you may not see it but some of the best wl/mara players on the server are talking about it themselves.

I think you or your tank dont know how to taunt channels. It sounds like l2p issue.

[Alubert]

I don't want to get into personal discussions here because it doesn't lead in the right direction.
But even if you are prepared for an interrupt it will still enter one or two tics (unless you have a taunt/other interrapt on CD).
Besides, when there are 3-4 spinning wl/mara per square meter it is still impossible.
Additionally, mara/wl pull should be a skill available only as a 13 mastery point ST tree.
Anyway, the future will show who was right whether choppa/sl will get a nerf as you claim or maybe wl/mara as I postulate.

And back to the topic then yes, level up your mara because you couldn't have hit on destro better.

[wildwindblows]

I don't want to get into personal discussions here because it doesn't lead in the right direction.
But even if you are prepared for an interrupt it will still enter one or two tics (unless you have a taunt/other interrapt on CD).
Besides, when there are 3-4 spinning wl/mara per square meter it is still impossible.
Additionally, mara/wl pull should be a skill available only as a 13 mastery point ST tree.
Anyway, the future will show who was right whether choppa/sl will get a nerf as you claim or maybe wl/mara as I postulate.

And back to the topic then yes, level up your mara because you couldn't have hit on destro better.

Aoe skills shouldn't outperform st damage anyways.But here aoe hits more than st. This is a thing needs to be fixed.

[Alubert]

I don't want to get into personal discussions here because it doesn't lead in the right direction.
But even if you are prepared for an interrupt it will still enter one or two tics (unless you have a taunt/other interrapt on CD).
Besides, when there are 3-4 spinning wl/mara per square meter it is still impossible.
Additionally, mara/wl pull should be a skill available only as a 13 mastery point ST tree.
Anyway, the future will show who was right whether choppa/sl will get a nerf as you claim or maybe wl/mara as I postulate.

And back to the topic then yes, level up your mara because you couldn't have hit on destro better.

Aoe skills shouldn't outperform st damage anyways.But here aoe hits more than st. This is a thing needs to be fixed.

100% agree

[illumius]

I don't want to get into personal discussions here because it doesn't lead in the right direction.
But even if you are prepared for an interrupt it will still enter one or two tics (unless you have a taunt/other interrapt on CD).
Besides, when there are 3-4 spinning wl/mara per square meter it is still impossible.
Additionally, mara/wl pull should be a skill available only as a 13 mastery point ST tree.
Anyway, the future will show who was right whether choppa/sl will get a nerf as you claim or maybe wl/mara as I postulate.

And back to the topic then yes, level up your mara because you couldn't have hit on destro better.

Aoe skills shouldn't outperform st damage anyways.But here aoe hits more than st. This is a thing needs to be fixed.

need 9 or 12 aoe cap

[Bohavwn]

Absolutely true, maras need 50% piercing bite back. And even then I think doks will still out damage them. it doesn't apply to auto attacks which is a lot of your damage. Sanguinary Extension while drowning in blood does 1600 dmg baseline btw x) also dont mention 1v1, this game is balanced around 3000vs3000 remember :^)

Old 50% Piercing Bite was multiplicative, while new 25% Piercing Bite is additive. This means that as long as you have 50% armor penetration without it, then the new version is better (To be exact: 50% + whatever reduced armor penetration the enemy has). Essentially this was a ST Mara nerf (~38% pen) but an AOE Mara buff (~85% pen).

A few months after that change, Mara received a significant buff to his Brutality stance:

- Gift of Brutality - When affected by the buff of Gift of Brutality, your auto attacks gain 25% armor penetration in addition to its current effects.

That pretty much offset the Piercing Bite change and perhaps buffed Mara ST damage to levels higher than before.
For that claim and for comparison with current ST dwDOK I am not exactly certain since I do not play those specs and I also have not done specific calculations on it.

Reason why Piercing Bite 50% In live War was so good because it was working on every attack, even auto attacks. This was bug that was never fixed and made mara POWERFUL. Piercing bite should at least add 35% Armour pene Additive and work on Autoattacks doesnt matter what stance. If Brutality added 25% AA dmg and piercing bite affected AA that would be noticable.

Also Gift of Savagery has close to permanent 505dmg over 5s dot that also reduces AA speed 33%. That alone negates and does more dmg than at the moment Brutality 25% AA armour pene.

That armor pen on all attacks was not a bug. That is misinformation that was spread on this server. The original text for PB does not mention only working only on attacks that require a mutation.

[wildwindblows]

ST mara is not a dps class. İt is support class with tones of debuffs. İf you wanna play dps, pick witch elf or choppa.

[JohnnyWayne]

All classes I play (which are a lot) do more damage with single target abilities on a single target than aoe abilities.

ST mara is not a dps class. İt is support class with tones of debuffs. İf you wanna play dps, pick witch elf or choppa.

That is surly, why you see double mara premades from good guilds. *shrug*