White Lion Nerf when?

[Toshutkidup]

Now, to the point:
I'm not saying faction locks should be absolute. But I believe if the cooldown for switching sides was longer, players would be more likely to stay on one side for a meaningful amount of time.
Because right now, when things get difficult, instead of adapting or finding solutions, people just jump to the other side.

I think faction lock should only exist if you want to join the winning faction - but you should always be able to just swap over to the faction that has less numbers.

I'm fine with that.. although I only play one faction

[normanis]

just remove armor pentration from hack n slash tactic
or increase ap cost like it was before. u hit harder byt also cost more resources.
p.s all those rampage nerf posts from destro and they got wl stacking aoe.
p.s.s give slayer gtdc and bw need aoe knock down (its bring tham into wb) bw and sorc can still spam ranged aoe like there is no tomorow in funnel so they are still better >slayer who need run into zerg, survive, and hope tank +healer is guarding u and healing u. just to apply shity id (who even decide nerf id 5feet vs gtdc what is 65 feet) . (most of time they dont give a **** about it even u have 3-4 fs)) byt ask from u have same damage as guarded wl.

[Demonito]

I'd rather have a boost for mara to catch up (>Brutality spec burst and overall mobility)

It might be interesting to create another topic on the parity of "Snaring"
(Won't now as tomo is PvE ! :p)
Some have rightly complained about DoK vs Wp and it seems unfair for Zeal vs Rp
(+Sorc and Bw could also have better slow)
As for White Lion, he has unlimited snare (5s/5s CD + lion) and mara doesn't (5s/10s CD)
This won't matter much in warbands but it makes huge diff for 1v1 and Scenarios

[Rapzel]

I'd rather have a boost for mara to catch up (>Brutality spec burst and overall mobility)

It might be interesting to create another topic on the parity of "Snaring"
(Won't now as tomo is PvE ! :p)
Some have rightly complained about DoK vs Wp and it seems unfair for Zeal vs Rp
(+Sorc and Bw could also have better slow)
As for White Lion, he has unlimited snare (5s/5s CD + lion) and mara doesn't (5s/10s CD)
This won't matter much in warbands but it makes huge diff for 1v1 and Scenarios

Things die in seconds at the moment. Buffing mara would just make Choppa and Slayer even less attractive.

Nerf AoE damage and do something about the mobility. At the moment peeling a WL is more about testing if the WL has 4 buttons bound than anything else.
The solution as I see it is to disable pounce/leap while slowed. While it would severely limit the mobility of WL it would make them peelable again.

[Farrul]

Mara does not need a buff, it is a lot tankier than WL, has better AOE utility. Morale burn, AOE KD, Strong AOE debuff. It still does decent DPS.

WL nerf request is due to shamans being killed in 1vs1 vs WL( destro do love shamans, let's be honest about that).

Otherwise, the 360 cone on WW to be reduced to 180 like the Mara one should put it in place in AOE situations. Pounce has already been nerfed so much that if you nerf it any further, you might as well remove it completely and remake the WL class from scratch.

( probably a good idea, considering how much of a liability the Pet is to the class, to the point when the loner tactic is the meta pick, ignoring the class pet mechanic, let that sink in for a moment).

[Demonito]

Things die in seconds at the moment. Buffing mara would just make Choppa and Slayer even less attractive.

Would be great to boost all unpopular classes/specs utility instead of removing fun stuff
As in last healer patch, buff were excellent unlike some nerfs (Zeal rituals / Shield dok / Sham FoDG ...)
Mara sure is good enough, I meant to buff only the Brutality spec End tree
Full mastery in that spec is far less interesting than Savagery or Monstro
Mara could also catch up few WL things (360 aoe / mobility / Silence ect...)
Main problem with WL, beyond the super strong dps, is the combo Grab / Stun / Burst
Since pet can already slow and silence, the stun could be done by the WL instead

[Xumae]

Now, to the point:
I'm not saying faction locks should be absolute. But I believe if the cooldown for switching sides was longer, players would be more likely to stay on one side for a meaningful amount of time.
Because right now, when things get difficult, instead of adapting or finding solutions, people just jump to the other side.

I think faction lock should only exist if you want to join the winning faction - but you should always be able to just swap over to the faction that has less numbers.

I'm fine with that.. although I only play one faction

You play the wrong one sadly, see you on Demonlarry

[Gunlinger]

WL nerf request is due to shamans being killed in 1vs1 vs WL( destro do love shamans, let's be honest about that).

Otherwise, the 360 cone on WW to be reduced to 180 like the Mara one should put it in place in AOE situations. Pounce has already been nerfed so much that if you nerf it any further, you might as well remove it completely and remake the WL class from scratch.

Cross ballanced classes.

Pet+range (SH) --- Pet+melee (WL) --- Stances+range(SW) --- Stances(mutations)+melee(Mara)

360 AOE cone LION --- 360 AOE cone Squig armor!!!
frontal AOE cone Shadow warrior --- frontal AOE cone Mara!!!

Should WL loose its 360 aoe cone, then we would be left with only destro beeing left with one of this cross balanced classes to keep its melee 360 spammable aoe abilitys.
But the fact that those 4 are balanced with all 4 of them in mind is always so fast ignored, when a fast argument is needed.

[Nameless]

It is a bit ridiculous classes with pounce to have 360 aoe, no matter the fraction

[Illuminati]

It is a bit ridiculous classes with pounce to have 360 aoe, no matter the fraction

Those comparisons are not equal. The pounce 'result' is not equal.

WL Pounce result
-Can be preceded by becoming un-snarable / un-rootable
-Can initiate a 25% heal debuff for those within 25' (easier to spread due to immunities)
-Can escape via charge
-Far more damage due to Armor Pen tactic (there are 3 'ands' in the tactic description!)

mSH Pounce result
-not immune to root/snare
-Can initiate a 3 second cooldown increase for those within 25' (harder to spread because the SH can be rooted/snared)
-Less damage than Whirling Axe because the SH doesn't have a similar Armor Pen tactic

Would be a fair comparison if mSH had:
-root/snare immunity on pounce for 10 seconds
-Armor penetration 25% on Big Bouncing (add a few 'ands' to one of the mSH tactics...)
-Heal Debuff weapons for Destro

Dead horse at this point. Either nerf the monster or create more monsters. Slayer is still damn good btw, just not overtuned. Slayer ID still initiates reckless gamble procs' , which remove challenge, etc. Appropriately supported Slayers are beasts. The reason of their rarity is due to the fact its a heck of a lot more effective to play a WL.