WH v WE

[Faction69]

?? As far as offensive spec WE/WH go the WH is way easier with RB and M1. Defensive I don't know about so much but with the change of WB being based on STR full regen/bubble WE does no real damage.

It definitely does enough damage to get solo kills when no healer is around (which is easy when you have stealth to choose your fights), and does by far the most damage of any defensive spec in the game while also regenning. It's completely oppressive to the point that it ruins the solo capacity of most Order classes because none of them should ever beat a regen WE, and regen WE is like 70% of destro solos so you are guaranteed to run into them if you're solo or duo/trio roaming. Just because WB scales with str now does not mean it doesn't do significant dmg, because it's still magical damage which means you do not need to build any armorpen and can go full defensive with talis and gear.

The vast majority of people who crutch on regen WE would be free kills if they had to play DPS WE (or WH for that matter). I've played against plenty of these players and when they spec DPS they might as well be a renown loot box, but when they spec regen it's pointless to even try to fight them. The difference is stark.

Most solo's are regen anyway so I simply don't care if they want to poke each other with wet noodles all day. You can easily run from a full def/bubble/regen we, but yes regen gear needs to be removed and for the love of all no more absorbs on gear! wtf is with a new near bis set with another absorb proc?

But the point is that other classes do like 0 dmg if they are regen. WE does solid dmg as regen. That's why it's so popular and the others are not.

And many classes actually can't run from them reliably cus of the slow proc dagger.

[Atropik]

But the point is that other classes do like 0 dmg if they are regen. WE does solid dmg as regen. That's why it's so popular and the others are not.

And many classes actually can't run from them reliably cus of the slow proc dagger.

SM does lots damage being reqen, SM doesnt have stealth tho, unfortunately.

Ill make a tier list on how easy you can run away from def WE:
GOD tier - all healers - you not only ruin Def we experience when hot anybody she attacks, you actually immune to their damage and can make a tea while she is trying to kill you.
S-tier - Kotbs, IB, WH - use punt/stagger/root - mount up - reach horizon.
A-tier - Engi, SM, Wl, dps RP, dps WP - use punt AND stagger+pet aggro - mount up - reach horizon/or, if you also run deftard spec you can choose to fight actually,
B-tier - dps AM, SW - timing matters here, you need to learn how to kite before reaching horizon.
C-tier - BW, SL - you cant run, anyway what were you doing alone in a lake as a BW?

[Faction69]

But the point is that other classes do like 0 dmg if they are regen. WE does solid dmg as regen. That's why it's so popular and the others are not.

And many classes actually can't run from them reliably cus of the slow proc dagger.

SM does lots damage being reqen, SM doesnt have stealth tho, unfortunately.

Ill make a tier list on how easy you can run away from def WE:
GOD tier - all healers - you not only ruin Def we experience when hot anybody she attacks, you actually immune to their damage and can make a tea while she is trying to kill you.
S-tier - Kotbs, IB, WH - use punt/stagger/root - mount up - reach horizon.
A-tier - Engi, SM, Wl, dps RP, dps WP - use punt AND stagger+pet aggro - mount up - reach horizon/or, if you also run deftard spec you can choose to fight actually,
B-tier - dps AM, SW - timing matters here, you need to learn how to kite before reaching horizon.
C-tier - BW, SL - you cant run, anyway what were you doing alone in a lake as a BW?

All it takes is one slow proc to ruin this for any class without snare immunity. And SM def doesn't do nearly as much dmg as regen WE. Healers can tank any single player easily anyway so it's not like them not having trouble with a regen WE is any different to with anyone else.