Guard ability suggestion

[Martok]

Tonight!
On another Episode of ror balance suggestions:

Battlefield makes yet another proposal that makes no sense at all

Sinisterror states for the 158th time "live was better why can't we have live back, everything sucks now"

And James, wears a hat.

Humor! Here, in RoR! I never would have thought...

[toffikx]

Just knock away the tank?

At first if tank with shield or in max parry spec you can't knock it away so easily and most likely failure is possible but even if you do this, it is only possible once every 20 seconds and in a fight 20 seconds is not a little and the tank usually comes running back in 5 seconds.

Second, not all tanks play with such tactic for further knock back exept bg/ib.

Actually, parry/block is frontal only. That’s why you have to knock away the tank from the rear/behind.
In your opening post, you write that guard target runs to tank even if he was punted - that’s why you have to use Tank M1 Champ Challenge and/or a stun - to prevent the target from moving, but also using def cds and/or pots.
You also write that punt is a bad antiguard ability, and it serves another purpose in RvR - actually it can serve both purposes. And as far as i know, punt is the most effective antiguard tool in the game. It is perhaps harder to knock away a tank in large scale fights, like wb vs wb, but then such setups have the advantage of breaking guarded front lines with massive morale dumps - something you in most cases cannot replicate in small scale - where the punt reigns supreme.
Also, as shown in cities, guarded frontlines can be taken advantage of by assigning kill squads that exploit unguarded healer backlines.

So there are tools to mitigate the effect of guard in both small scale and large scale - ofcourse it is easier if you can communicate and coordinate.

There’s no denying that guard is a strong ability that defines many aspects of the game. But does it need changing because of that?
If atleast some of the things you mention are implemented, like ;
-cooldown on ability
-removal of the guard by an ability (like removing rampage with shatter)
-reduced damage split values.
What will the impact of such changes be on the game, and what is the point of such changes? You want to reduce the power of guard and make killing targets easier, is that what you want? Or do you think guard gives too big of an advantage to coordinated groups, against solos/pugs?

[Battlefield]

Tonight!
On another Episode of ror balance suggestions:

Battlefield makes yet another proposal that makes no sense at all

Sinisterror states for the 158th time "live was better why can't we have live back, everything sucks now"

And James, wears a hat.

Humor! Here, in RoR! I never would have thought...

There is only suffering and no humor here )

[Aethilmar]

Just knock away the tank?

At first if tank with shield or in max parry spec you can't knock it away so easily and most likely failure is possible but even if you do this, it is only possible once every 20 seconds and in a fight 20 seconds is not a little and the tank usually comes running back in 5 seconds.

Second, not all tanks play with such tactic for further knock back exept bg/ib.

Actually, parry/block is frontal only. That’s why you have to knock away the tank from the rear/behind.
In your opening post, you write that guard target runs to tank even if he was punted - that’s why you have to use Tank M1 Champ Challenge and/or a stun - to prevent the target from moving, but also using def cds and/or pots.
You also write that punt is a bad antiguard ability, and it serves another purpose in RvR - actually it can serve both purposes. And as far as i know, punt is the most effective antiguard tool in the game. It is perhaps harder to knock away a tank in large scale fights, like wb vs wb, but then such setups have the advantage of breaking guarded front lines with massive morale dumps - something you in most cases cannot replicate in small scale - where the punt reigns supreme.
Also, as shown in cities, guarded frontlines can be taken advantage of by assigning kill squads that exploit unguarded healer backlines.

So there are tools to mitigate the effect of guard in both small scale and large scale - ofcourse it is easier if you can communicate and coordinate.

There’s no denying that guard is a strong ability that defines many aspects of the game. But does it need changing because of that?
If atleast some of the things you mention are implemented, like ;
-cooldown on ability
-removal of the guard by an ability (like removing rampage with shatter)
-reduced damage split values.
What will the impact of such changes be on the game, and what is the point of such changes? You want to reduce the power of guard and make killing targets easier, is that what you want? Or do you think guard gives too big of an advantage to coordinated groups, against solos/pugs?

Heh. I think there are like three or four different versions of this advice in here but the OP doesn't want to hear it. They just want this game to play like WoW and cater even more than it does to DPS classes. The way tanks are actually useful in PvP in this game is what attracted me to it many, many years ago and has, since live, confused a non-trivial part of the playerbase.

[kleinbuchstabe]

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For real man, this Forum became a clown show...
all these suggestions of bad players who want to punish good players for playing good. Couldn't make it up!

[Battlefield]

Okay, if you don't like a cooldown of guard ability then it could be some debuff on groupmate for 10 seconds not allowing to become guarded again after the guard is transferred to another group member.

Okay, if you don't like a core mechanic of the game, maybe play something more to your liking. Mainstream flavorless, bland. World of Warcraft for example.

core mechanic of this game is all buffs can be removed by special abilities exept guard, even Vigilance can be removed from the Kotbs or similar ability has RP and Zealot are Grimnir's Shield/Embrace the Warp abilities that reduce only incoming damage by 50% and they all can be removed as buffs, do not confuse with detaunts

core mechanic when 1 ability on a permanent basis that can't be removed reduces all incoming damage by 50% without any cooldown like an infinite bubble and tanks can swap it every second so 2 tanks can almost guard the entire group.

core mechanic when punt distance maybe 60-80ft and the radius of the guard is 30ft

core mechanic when players playing in voice use tricks after punt and dps runs to tank without losing damage reduction from guard

core mechanic when someone rooted and gave the tank immune to be knocked back for 20 seconds not allowing to use punt

core mechanic when the enemy tank is waiting for a knockback from you and he keeps you in focus without turning backwards towards you, and he also has a high parry or block chance (this often happens in scenarios or vs premades)

Need to make punt for tanks undefendable and increases the distance of punt or reduce radius of the guard ability to 25ft or even 20ft and add 10 or 20 seconds of cooldown to the guard ability.

Gives to WH/WE an ability that will remove guard from the target, let's say, once a minute or 2, guard is a buff and against buffs in this game there are abilities to remove them.

Guard ability was made for melee dps to survive in big fights and even after that it will still perform its task

[Nameless]

There are quite a few "buffs" that cant be removed like kotbs/chosen auras, dok/wp covenants/prayers and prolly more of these. So your statement is wrong. These unremovable buffs is based on yours and your party members location and are part of game fundamentals.

[Battlefield]

There are quite a few "buffs" that cant be removed like kotbs/chosen auras, dok/wp covenants/prayers and prolly more of these. So your statement is wrong. These unremovable buffs is based on yours and your party members location and are part of game fundamentals.

Compared to the guard it's funny auras don't reduce incoming damage by 50% and do not affect the balance of the game as much as the guard, but if it's necessary for the sake of overall balance, make it so that they can be removed too, this is more important.

And auras that are not removable are a very small part of the buffs in this game, around 90% of all buffs can be removed.

I even presume that the official developers could think of making it possible to remove the guard buff from the target with a special ability but they didn't decide to do it.

[Panzerkasper]

Guard is absoltely necessary for the balance of the game hence for the simple fact that you can stack damage easier than you can stack defense.

[Alubert]

At first I thought it was such a joke but I see the next entries in the post and I guess he is so serious.
Guard is absolutely the foundation in this game.
If you don't like it then learn to live with it or find another pvp mmo without guard machanics. There are plenty of them out there.

Most of us tried to find our way in other pvp mmo's (WoW, TESO, GW2, DAoC ect) after the original servers closed and why do you think people came back to the new RoR as it was created?
Because it is unique and guard is one of its unique features.

What you are proposing is the worst proposal on the forum so far.

One thing that can be easily done (I've been advocating this since the introduction is a pointless change) is to reverse the change in 20 sec cd to punts in snb spec.
It's hard for me to conclude what the devs were guided by when they introduced such a change reducing the usefulness of snb tanks (I'm just guessing that they were at the time heavily influenced by the person who lobbied for strengthening the role of 2h tank and downplaying snb spec).

Anyway even if I would play snb I can't imagine not having tactics for super punt even with 20 sec cd.