Order exploiting in Mourkain Temple

[Boozy]

Who is playing SCs for competition?

[Jayzboi]

Do we need to start splitting the queue into 1-11, 12-19 and 20?

Please no...

[Drustos]

I'm serious.

Tell me what's so competitive about a woe/rune-scribed/emblem geared rank 20 with a custom UI and five friends with the same on vent curb stomping rank 12s in commons.

And yeah, I'm exaggerating, but without a controlled environment where rank, gear and pugs are removed from the equation, it's just a free-for-all. A rank 20 only queue would go a long way towards helping, but I think people would be shocked at how small their "competitive" gamer base actually is.

[Foltestik]

I'm serious.

Tell me what's so competitive about a woe/rune-scribed/emblem geared rank 20 with a custom UI and five friends with the same on vent curb stomping rank 12s in commons.

And yeah, I'm exaggerating, but without a controlled environment where rank, gear and pugs are removed from the equation, it's just a free-for-all. A rank 20 only queue would go a long way towards helping, but I think people would be shocked at how small their "competitive" gamer base actually is.

pls go back zerg oRVR and dont join sc if you dont wanna fight there.
yesterday we have 4-6 man premade (many times with lvl 12) and we realy enjoy it and we meet many good order premade and have nice fights much better then push to keep get pushed back to WC push to keep all day long

[Tiggo]

remember you foltestik we had some fun in scs yesterday.

[Foltestik]

yep like to fight agains elements thats hard and nice fights

[Drustos]

pls go back zerg oRVR and dont join sc if you dont wanna fight there.
yesterday we have 4-6 man premade (many times with lvl 12) and we realy enjoy it and we meet many good order premade and have nice fights much better then push to keep get pushed back to WC push to keep all day long

All I said was that SCs aren't fair or competitive, I didn't say they can't ever be fun, or that they should be changed.

[Bozzax]

Played 20 or so SCs before I stopped queuing. Here are some observations from PUGing

1. Something like 30-40% of the SCs started with x 1.5-2 players on the order side as more joined it was to late
2. Joined approx 25% of the SCs and order had a 200-300 pts lead (same problem as 1 basically )
3. Premades with good group composition were launched vs groups with little or no heals
4. sub 20s just don't mix with premades

[RyanMakara]

Do we need to start splitting the queue into 1-11, 12-19 and 20?

Please no...

Yes!

[Jaycub]

Do we need to start splitting the queue into 1-11, 12-19 and 20?

The power gap between 20 and anything below is quite large.

Problem is I think nothing would pop after primetime except the occasional level 20 ques. In a perfect world you would be able to have a level 20 que and a level 1-19 que, but there would be so many problems w/ implementing the latter. And that would be just a temporary solution to a problem w/ the current state of the server.