Developer Update - 25 August 2023.

[githappens]

I don't want to be that guy, but you can get like k/d 20:1 on rDPS atm while roaming (yes, on order).

By killing randoms in low gear. Wohoo. Try fighting a 2/2/2 setup with a ranged class like a SW or engi. No damage, no chance. No matter if they are group or not. How many rdps do you see in premade scenario groups, cities, warbands or ranked? Maybe one sorc or bw for the ranged champ. That's it. Don't tell me that rdps, especially SWs and engis are doing well. They don't.

Especially SW. You got insane burst, combine it with another rDPS and people drop before guard is switched. It's l2p issue, you can fight other premades in open, but you can't make mistakes.

Do you know Exodus for example was dominating group ranked for a while with 1-1-2-2 setup long time ago?

Tip: your tank sends someone into air and its unguarded even if it has guard, burst it in the air and dead body will drop where punt sends it.

[lumpi33]

I don't want to be that guy, but you can get like k/d 20:1 on rDPS atm while roaming (yes, on order).

By killing randoms in low gear. Wohoo. Try fighting a 2/2/2 setup with a ranged class like a SW or engi. No damage, no chance. No matter if they are group or not. How many rdps do you see in premade scenario groups, cities, warbands or ranked? Maybe one sorc or bw for the ranged champ. That's it. Don't tell me that rdps, especially SWs and engis are doing well. They don't.

Especially SW. You got insane burst, combine it with another rDPS and people drop before guard is switched. It's l2p issue, you can fight other premades in open, but you can't make mistakes.

Do you know Exodus for example was dominating group ranked for a while with 1-1-2-2 setup long time ago?

Tip: your tank sends someone into air and its unguarded even if it has guard, burst it in the air and dead body will drop where punt sends it.

So where are these groups? I don't see them in orvr, I don't see them in scenarios, cities or premade warbands. And even if they manage to kill that way, what is wrong about it? They requires setup and they only have a small time window to get the kill. No mistakes allowed. Melee groups are a lot easier and all I see is melee blobbing groups, especially choppa/mara groups with abusing their pulls. Pull that SW into your group, kd, kill, profit. Can't get any easier.

What you are saying is no explaination to why rdps got reckt so hard in the upcoming patch. It's like hitting a dead horse because rdps were already less wanted in every competitve environment. No doubt about that.

[Dackjanielz]

because of GTDC order spends most of its prime time hiding in warcamps and keeps, this has also pushed a large % of players into RDPS because its the only way to enjoy the game without being sent into constant vomit inducing spins.

You destroy RDPS do these people really believe that those players will move back to melee? lol guess again - i think they would rather quit the game.
I know i'm definately not going to be forced into that cess pit.

The same behaviour is also attributed to something for the destro players - Dessie players avoid keeps and fortresses like a plague and instead roam the lakes in big choppa sucking blobs......Why? because of Rampage.

in these patch notes NEITHER of these things have been addressed meanwhile innocent builds and classes are being knee capped suddenly for no logical reason, 2h slayer and WP changes feel so genuinely vindictive from the influence of one person.
How can 2h slayers be overpowered when they'res only 3 of them playing on the server?
The only explanation is SOMEONE behind these patch notes has a personal vendetta against them, as for WP losing snare but DOK keeps theirs all day is beyond me.

Just have to hope that the "Updated" patch notes show something promising.....

[githappens]

Pull that SW into your group, kd, kill, profit. Can't get any easier.

Whirling Pin used at right time during pull simply teleported you back to place where you was pulled from. Doubt it has changed...

About not seeing such groups. Check close to rivers, bridges, chapter camps or other place where you can kite warbands reducing their chase potential. Play smart.

[Ruin]

Pull that SW into your group, kd, kill, profit. Can't get any easier.

Whirling Pin used at right time during pull simply teleported you back to place where you was pulled from. Doubt it has changed...

About not seeing such groups. Check close to rivers, bridges, chapter camps or other place where you can kite warbands reducing their chase potential. Play smart.

Only from Marauder it does not work for choppa GTDC.
Also Whirling P. jump distance is around 45ft while mAOE skills are 25-30ft so 2/3 of the jump is actualy within range of attacs.

[githappens]

Pull that SW into your group, kd, kill, profit. Can't get any easier.

Whirling Pin used at right time during pull simply teleported you back to place where you was pulled from. Doubt it has changed...

About not seeing such groups. Check close to rivers, bridges, chapter camps or other place where you can kite warbands reducing their chase potential. Play smart.

Only from Marauder it does not work for choppa GTDC.
Also Whirling P. jump distance is around 45ft while mAOE skills are 25-30ft so 2/3 of the jump is actualy within range of attacs.

To get pulled by GTDC you already have to be literaly in melee range as its 40ft.
W. Pin distance is based on ground you're on. On high ground is pretty distant.

[lumpi33]

Pull that SW into your group, kd, kill, profit. Can't get any easier.

Whirling Pin used at right time during pull simply teleported you back to place where you was pulled from. Doubt it has changed...

I saw that happening but it is very rare. Most of the time they are getting pulled, trying to use whirling pin but the kd cancels it. They are screwed. Same with WEs. Their kd cancels WB 90% of the time.

Beside that: You want order to use bugs just to have a fighting chance? You can't be serious.

[githappens]

Pull that SW into your group, kd, kill, profit. Can't get any easier.

Whirling Pin used at right time during pull simply teleported you back to place where you was pulled from. Doubt it has changed...

I saw that happening but it is very rare. Most of the time they are getting pulled, trying to use whirling pin but the kd cancels it. They are screwed. Same with WEs. Their kd cancels WB 90% of the time.

Poor execution. Never was issue for me. KD can be avoided with Focused Mind. Wouldn't have ~60+ kill streaks if pulls would be such huge issues as you describe them. Been chased by Freebotaz WBs to Mordor and back.

[Caduceus]

Any notions of 'OP' fail the common sense test.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of rDPS are not desirable at all in 6man comps or RvR warbands - these areas are dominated by mDPS.

Why is that?

Because competent groups know how to catch and shut down rDPS, or the rDPS classes simply lack the damage to put meaningful pressure.


Only when rDPS stack beyond a certain number they can put out damage that begins to feel unfair. This doesn't happen in competitive environments.


And guess what? The counterplay is already there.

If rDPS is such a massive issue, any tank can swap out their 2H for S&B and suddenly rDPS can barely scratch them.

The fact that people can't be bothered to do that tells you enough; they're lazy - they don't want to adapt, they want the game to adapt to what they want.

[agemennon675]

Any notions of 'OP' fail the common sense test.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of rDPS are not desirable at all in 6man comps or RvR warbands - these areas are dominated by mDPS.

Why is that?

Because competent groups know how to catch and shut down rDPS, or the rDPS classes simply lack the damage to put meaningful pressure.


Only when rDPS stack beyond a certain number they can put out damage that begins to feel unfair. This doesn't happen in competitive environments.


And guess what? The counterplay is already there.

If rDPS is such a massive issue, any tank can swap out their 2H for S&B and suddenly rDPS can barely scratch them.

The fact that people can't be bothered to do that tells you enough; they're lazy - they don't want to adapt, they want the game to adapt to what they want.

"The fact that people can't be bothered to do that tells you enough; they're lazy - they don't want to adapt, they want the game to adapt to what they want."

Well ofc they want it, problem is they get what they want here