Enough with Order outnumbering Destro

[Rapzel]

That revolutionises his point, 6/90ish is so different to 11/90ish - another outstanding forum contribution.

Lots of people are playing order casual for the rr and crest train (got 82 crests from a pve fort with less than 5 kills and can complete the weekly in a few hours of pvdoor) then logging/xrealming to destro in EU primetime to then log/head back after.

Its human nature to pick the easiest path to the things you want and this has become the pattern.

If you try to argue, you better be right or you ll be sorry. The only time when order actually wins over destro is in off prime times as there are more organised wbs around. See other thread.

You trying to tell us there is a massive Destro blob that sweeps in between 19-23 server time and locks an incredible number of forts and zones? Or is it more of a stalemate that ends in one locked zone by destro?

[nocturnalguest]

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can complete the weekly in a few hours of pvdoor
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Its actually way faster being underdog then pvdoor

[Detangler]

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can complete the weekly in a few hours of pvdoor
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Its actually way faster being underdog then pvdoor

Yup. Sneaking BOs and destroying supplies you can get your weekly done in an hour with some sweet AAO bonuses. Too bad its incredibly boring.

4 things to fix this:

1- NA destro needs regular good WB leaders.

2- AAO and malus need to ramp up faster. Massively decrease rewards for empty keeps/forts. (edited cause I finally remembered)

3- Realm switching cooldowns should be turned off when population gets low enough so players can even it out.

4- Give us a window showing # of scenarios active, players in queue, and class types queueing just like for ranked. RvR could be trash but scenarios could be popping. More info for player to find decent fights.

[Darks63]

destro need na time zone wb leader. and its will do miracle. its hard work to lead byt someone need to do it.

People have stepped up from time to time over the years but they quickly get sick of how quickly NA destro players give up.

[Nickwahh5]

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can complete the weekly in a few hours of pvdoor
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Its actually way faster being underdog then pvdoor

Yup. Sneaking BOs and destroying supplies you can get your weekly done in an hour with some sweet AAO bonuses. Too bad its incredibly boring.

4 things to fix this:

1- NA destro needs regular good WB leaders.

2- AAO whatever the opposite is called need to ramp up faster. Massively decrease rewards for empty keeps/forts.

3- Realm switching cooldowns should be turned off when population gets low enough so players can even it out.

4- Give us a window showing # of scenarios active, players in queue, and class types queueing just like for ranked. RvR could be trash but scenarios could be popping. More info for player to find decent fights.

Love this feedback. Would be great to hear some dev input. I wonder if they have any Q&A or if this has been brought up before with the transcript.

I don't play EU (I should have stated this earlier) but my issue is geared towards NA playtime.

[Cyrylius]

"NA players are inferior" meme comes from the times when it still had population and it suffered very similar issues to what's happening currently. Any guild active in that timezone struggled with extremely easily discouraged players, overpopulation of solo roamers and class balance issues which in turn resulted in lack of proper environment for group players to appear in numbers. Which, again, caused the whole meme. And it's still like that. There were some signs of life, most recent one i belive to be corpse stompers who were forming against jempire/rolgrom and somehow managing to get good, even fights despite the various obstacles, but I'm assuming they eventually started winning/ losing too much which caused the whole thing to collapse from one side or the other. (To be fair, there was also sigon initiative, but it collapsed pretty fast after he joined NM). Other than this overly detailed analysis I can only repeat the already mentioned advices, join a guild, form parties, play the high-school teen game of getting chummy with various discords to get priority when anything is formed and maybe support any new pug leader you spot.

[Kobical]

Yesterday in Praag, I think the EU guilds were just getting close to finishing up and they spawned a Destro ram/keep take attempt.

Some guy in region was constantly yelling stuff like:

"fake ram, DO NOT SUPPORT"
"they are feeding their Order friends RR"
"do not go to that keep, you will fail"

and other comments like that.

It leads to a lot of uncertainty and a lot of players didn't know what to do (support or not?) but the chance of something is better than just doing nothing, right? So we went to support the keep take attempt and after a nice fight, we got in and took the keep and the zone.

Maybe it was because (as said earlier) destro players are used to getting beat up from order during NA times, we just expect to lose? I've not been here so long that I know the full story but it was a lot more fun to fight instead of playing passive waiting for order to do their usual pve keep takes. I hope this happens more often

[baselinestun]

Another day and another 6+ hours of Order PvDoor from the usual suspects, how many forts will it be? 2 or 3? Some keep saying that realm locks are bad and stop people from evening the numbers but I very rarely see it happen, they usually just end up joining the more populated realm for easy bags so what's the solution? Is it possible to fix server culture?

[Evilspinnre]

We definitely would have swapped to destro after Ostland last night if entire WB didn't have 90 min lockout. Remove lockout timer if swapping to outnumbered side ty

[Acidic]

We definitely would have swapped to destro after Ostland last night if entire WB didn't have 90 min lockout. Remove lockout timer if swapping to outnumbered side ty

Alas no amount of xrealming will fix the population swing that has been going on for at least 2 years.
Since those last few balance patch (2years ago) that effectively warped balance players have either left the game or joined order for the easy life.
This trend becomes more and more pronounced and now with new player following the pvdoor train to gear the divide in population will just get worse.
Now and again the xrealm might help one side or other but the standard model will be EU going same way as NA .
Server will just be left with small population and group of xrealmers making the gameplay boring and switching even more on the win of xrealm.
In short until either balance team actually balances there is no hope for the population order swing.

To be honest not even sure decent balance can save the situation now, as the pvdoor or hide in keep model is appearing to be so intrenched that players just won’t change or claim even more that this is how they see the game should be played.