Balance ever going to be addressed?

[Telen]

gclense made its a crappy and neutered its effectiveness

They did have dd options though unlike engi who were gcleansed and dd rifle spec hurt by armour.

You the BEST tank in kotbs, slayers are pretty dam strong as well and if wasnt for mara it would be the best mdps

Rdps was weak in end game but if you get your way with no RD then suddenly your rdps is also insane with rkd and none for destro

Des have a pb pull, a ranged root and a ranged kd. All on the same class. Bring one class and you have all the rcc you need.

So order have the best tank in exchange for the worst of all 4 archetypes. KotBS is good but it aint that good.

No matter what des claim about balance you cant ignore that order have the 3 HE classes. End game even SW falls behind with the bw/sorc mechanic.

[magter3001]

The first two are specs for a certain class, I don't count that.

BO>SM, that's fair.
Mara>WL but not SW
Magus end game isn't around in T2, so your list is invalid.

You dont count specs? So what do you count? Thats how classes are played in specs.
Mara > WL but not SW? So SH < WL as well.
Order have the weakest healer, weakest mdps and weakest tank. They also have the weakest rdps endgame.
What more do des want? Order have to put up with the HE careers. SW at least makes up for the other HE classes a little.

I played a WP for two years in WAR. That class is the definition of the best healer, of any game ever. Slayers are the best mdps with Shatter Limbs, KotBS are the best tanks in the game, BW are the best Rdps in the game for the longest time.

Also, stop measuring things by T4. We're in T2, armor potions are not around. No talismans. No nothing but the classes and their abilities. And so far in T2, Order have more useful abilities and if the devs release level 21, then you can make an even bigger case as to why Order is so weak with the weakest healer, mdps, and tank.


I was merely trolling your thread but because you clearly believe this then you must be delusional.

[Telen]

I played a WP for two years in WAR. That class is the definition of the best healer, of any game ever. Slayers are the best mdps with Shatter Limbs, KotBS are the best tanks in the game, BW are the best Rdps in the game for the longest time.

Also, stop measuring things by T4. We're in T2, armor potions are not around. No talismans. No nothing but the classes and their abilities. And so far in T2, Order have more useful abilities and if the devs release level 21, then you can make an even bigger case as to why Order is so weak with the weakest healer, mdps, and tank.

I was merely trolling your thread but because you clearly believe this then you must be delusional.

This is an alpha asking for balance based on where we are is delusional. Change balance now and it will just need changing again when the mechanics are added.

You'll get no argument about KotBS.
WP are better healers but DoK are better dps. Its the other way around with AM Shaman. Thats balance.
BW have better CC but Sorc were given more burst.
Mara are the best all around class in the game. Only time Slayers are better is in a premade meleetrain and thats mostly to do with having the KotBS and WP. Also ID will be cleansable which is their biggest strength gone.

You tell me not to mention t4 but talk about shattered limbs and call bw the best rdps. Whats wrong with you?

Order have a few stronger classes. As do des mainly due to the known weakness of the HE careers.

[Tesq]

Shaman healer
DoK dps
Black Orc
Mara
Magus endgame

Shaman better than AM, maximum hah
Blorcs on par with SM maybe
Marauders are the worst class in the game
Magus are the 2nd worst and a joke

Instead jump at the conclusion ppl i would like to ask him when he stopped to play ? i think it would be like 2010 cos that were the time when mara and magus were considered useless in any party.

Mara in end game and played correctly with switch mutation were the BEST ST mdps of the game.
Shama it's better than am even if both am/shammy do not keep with dok/wp
BO it's way better than SM
Magus do damage better than engi due to doing magic damage.; it's not a sorc but well it hit like a melee with a spammable aoe that hit 9 target and do magic damage sow ay better than a aoe choppa. The more the zerg there is the more magus became usefull.


Destruction so far have a better internal balance than order.
Order have few Overpowered things all on some classes easily findable.

Most of op from slayer /mara cames from bug so we have to see how much the meta will change due t bug from officials get fix and pet have better ai, also WL have working pounce.

[TenTonHammer]

Most of op from mara cames from bug so we have to see how much the meta will change due t bug from officials get fix and pet have better ai, also WL have working pounce.[/color]

The deadly clutch taking in all heals like from potions, which i think btw having a heal that has a 150% uptime vs the " self heals available to all other mdps classes is kinda not right? i dont think that alone is it, cutting claw being almost as good as demolishing strike is another thing

no requirements wounds rebuff thats almost as good as hastened doom and being able to get garruntted crits on a target as soon as their 49% health

ferocious assault buffing str and tough on an mdps already with highest armor and health iirc

thier are just too many thing good on one class with no weakness bar being melee

[katroulitsa]

I have seen full warp magus outdps and outdbs full warp sorc in single target spec on live.

That sorc must have been rly rly bad

[noisestorm]

That sorc must have been rly rly bad

No. Magus indeed (if specced and geared correctly) had immense Damage potential. I also had one in my Guild who could pretty much Oneshot people. Cleanse was no problem here either


@Topic: Wow OP you just went full retard.

[magter3001]

That sorc must have been rly rly bad

No. Magus indeed (if specced and geared correctly) had immense Damage potential. I also had one in my Guild who could pretty much Oneshot people. Cleanse was no problem here either


@Topic: Wow OP you just went full retard.

[Jaycub]

Things are pretty balanced right now, aside from SW for reasons already stated 100 times. Most mirrors play exactly the same except for a couple difference which make them stronger in some situations which goes both ways in every case.

The next level cap raise it's going to be no question that order is much better. WL will have pounce, mara will still play like a glorified witch elf w/o access to his awesome masteries up in savagery. SW will get a heal debuff (lol).

The amount of SW/AM/BW speaks in tomes right now. It's hard to even find DPS on destro, most scenarios its one dps then a bunch of tanks top fragging. No one wants to play dps here.

[Ghostweed]

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